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Whatever you do, there is a level of trust that is assumed when census takes place. The trust that this data is then not identified in a way that could be targe

Whatever you do, there is a level of trust that is assumed when census takes place. The trust that this data is then not identified in a way that could be targeted for scams, frauds, and other such evils. But in NY, house sale records are made public but much to the detriment, many mortgage companies fake a bill for payment. Differential privacy is absolutely necessary, and the social scientists being unable to reconstruct the data at an individual level is intended. A macroscopic description is rather enough for most purposes, and anything more is asking for a surveillance state.

mschuster91 4mo ago
> But in NY, house sale records are made public but much to the detriment, many mortgage companies fake a bill for payment. That frankly sounds more like a failure of enforcement, on top of a failure of the construction of the financial system. Here in Germany, it is absolutely not a common thing that mortgages or the banks holding them get sold like a hot potato towards some other sucker, and thus such a letter would cause immediate suspicion.
- wongarsu 4mo ago
  Here in Germany, founding a company creates a public record. There are a number of companies who then send all newly formed companies an invoice that looks like a legitimate invoice for expenses related to creating said company, but on closer inspection actually contain a dense paragraph of text that details that this is not an invoice at all, merely an offer you accept by paying. Quite possibly even a subscription It's a well-known trick, our notary warned us that these letters would come and we should scrutinize any invoice for a while. But they manage to skirt at the edge of legality
  - TomatoCo 4mo ago
    In the USA you'll get buttloads of mail urging you to do things such as confirm your home warranty at risk of not being covered. With addresses that says "RE: (your mortgage provider)" to make it look like it's from them.
  - Guvante 4mo ago
    Are they actually legal? Generally those kind of scams setup an illegitimate transaction that would be reversed in a court case. Whether they rise to a criminal matter is complicated but the vast majority of such scams hold up to scrutiny and instead rely on shell games to make retrieving your funds to expensive to be possible.
    - LocalH 4mo ago
      Legality is a matter of enforcement, not of legislation
    - inigyou 4mo ago
      Germany follows the law extremely strictly, even more than the USA. If there's no law that says they can't do this, they can do it. Common sense rarely enters the picture in German legal battles
      - Guvante 4mo ago
        In the US these kinds of scam fail to be legal on the basis of contract law which is way more nuanced than "can't do this"... I am not talking about common sense I am talking about things like informed consent and consideration.
        inigyou 4mo ago
        German law doesn't really care if your consent to a contract was informed or not. If you technically consented, then you consented. This is also how we got the recent thread about .at domains renewing automatically and the registry suing you if you don't pay.
        Guvante 4mo ago
        That can happen in the US too... When you agree to a contract you are bound to the terms of it. Why do you think it is so common to hear horror stories about gym memberships? But in your example no one agreed to the contract which means no agreement exists. Generally you can say that payment was agreement to terms but that doesn't work if you deceived to get the payment.
nijave 4mo ago
In Ohio (or at least my county) the deed and mortgage are public record. As is a record when the mortgage is paid off. Interestly also property tax charges and payments are, too
- ghaff 4mo ago
  The ownership and selling price of a parcel of property are pretty much a matter of public record throughout most (all?) of the US along with aa number of other things. Deeds are recorded with the county clerk in MA. Some of that can be obfuscated through LLCs and trusts but some things are pretty much a matter of public record that not everyone agrees should be. More is doubtless available in some locales. I don't think property tax charges are public where I live though who knows if I asked the town clerk nicely. (Property taxes are at the town level where I live.)

mschuster91 4mo ago

> But in NY, house sale records are made public but much to the detriment, many mortgage companies fake a bill for payment. That frankly sounds more like a failure of enforcement, on top of a failure of the construction of the financial system. Here in Germany, it is absolutely not a common thing that mortgages or the banks holding them get sold like a hot potato towards some other sucker, and thus such a letter would cause immediate suspicion.

wongarsu 4mo ago
Here in Germany, founding a company creates a public record. There are a number of companies who then send all newly formed companies an invoice that looks like a legitimate invoice for expenses related to creating said company, but on closer inspection actually contain a dense paragraph of text that details that this is not an invoice at all, merely an offer you accept by paying. Quite possibly even a subscription It's a well-known trick, our notary warned us that these letters would come and we should scrutinize any invoice for a while. But they manage to skirt at the edge of legality
- TomatoCo 4mo ago
  In the USA you'll get buttloads of mail urging you to do things such as confirm your home warranty at risk of not being covered. With addresses that says "RE: (your mortgage provider)" to make it look like it's from them.
- Guvante 4mo ago
  Are they actually legal? Generally those kind of scams setup an illegitimate transaction that would be reversed in a court case. Whether they rise to a criminal matter is complicated but the vast majority of such scams hold up to scrutiny and instead rely on shell games to make retrieving your funds to expensive to be possible.
  - LocalH 4mo ago
    Legality is a matter of enforcement, not of legislation
  - inigyou 4mo ago
    Germany follows the law extremely strictly, even more than the USA. If there's no law that says they can't do this, they can do it. Common sense rarely enters the picture in German legal battles
    - Guvante 4mo ago
      In the US these kinds of scam fail to be legal on the basis of contract law which is way more nuanced than "can't do this"... I am not talking about common sense I am talking about things like informed consent and consideration.
      - inigyou 4mo ago
        German law doesn't really care if your consent to a contract was informed or not. If you technically consented, then you consented. This is also how we got the recent thread about .at domains renewing automatically and the registry suing you if you don't pay.
        Guvante 4mo ago
        That can happen in the US too... When you agree to a contract you are bound to the terms of it. Why do you think it is so common to hear horror stories about gym memberships? But in your example no one agreed to the contract which means no agreement exists. Generally you can say that payment was agreement to terms but that doesn't work if you deceived to get the payment.

nijave 4mo ago

In Ohio (or at least my county) the deed and mortgage are public record. As is a record when the mortgage is paid off. Interestly also property tax charges and payments are, too

ghaff 4mo ago
The ownership and selling price of a parcel of property are pretty much a matter of public record throughout most (all?) of the US along with aa number of other things. Deeds are recorded with the county clerk in MA. Some of that can be obfuscated through LLCs and trusts but some things are pretty much a matter of public record that not everyone agrees should be. More is doubtless available in some locales. I don't think property tax charges are public where I live though who knows if I asked the town clerk nicely. (Property taxes are at the town level where I live.)