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Disclaimer: Personal Tidbit I love electronic music. But, I can not get into Skrillex or American Dubstep for that manner. I feel like im missing something...

by fumar 14y ago

md224 14y ago
I don't think you're missing anything, it's simply a matter of personal taste. I don't enjoy Skrillex either (dubstep to me is artists like Burial) but I can see why his more muscular approach might appeal to the American crowd.
- fumar 14y ago
  Correct, Burial, on the other hand makes music I enjoy.
andrewfelix 14y ago
Agreed. I find Skrillex derivative. It's like Chicane with extra noise. Dubstep can be awesome however.
- recursive 14y ago
  Skrillex is derivative but Chicane is original. That's a new one. I say this as a fan of both.
  - andrewfelix 14y ago
    Never said Chicane was original. They're both derivative.
    - delackner 14y ago
      Obviously every song is in some way building on other previous works, but there are degrees of originality and contribution above and beyond the building blocks that a song draws from. Some songs seem to be just "beautiful component" + "harmonious other beautiful component" = "pleasant synthesis resulting in more beauty", while others seem to be "beautiful component" + "rotting vegetables" = "pretty rotting vegetables"...
- radley 14y ago
  Curious how you got from Chicane to Skrillex. Or to Chicane in the first place...
sneak 14y ago
The correct term for what you refer to as "american dubstep" is actually Brostep. Dubstep was invented in Europe in the 90s and came out of the early techno scene. The shit these douches are making in California is completely unrelated.
- minikomi 14y ago
  Interesting. I've always thought that Dubstep was a mutation which came out of the acid -> hardcore -> garage -> grime lineage in the UK.
- anateus 14y ago
  I really hate to be a "genre pedant", but Dubstep is a descendant of garage, dub, drum and bass and a few other styles from the very late 90s early 00s in England. "Early techno" is Detroit in the 80s. If you're correcting someone on nomenclature please be more accurate, and if you're trolling, please be funnier.
  - balloot 14y ago
    You clearly don't hate to be a "genre pedant" :)
  - mcantelon 14y ago
    "Brostep" is actually a pretty good term for it.
  - sneak 14y ago
    Dubstep proper is a near direct descendant of dub techno, pioneered in Berlin in the early 90s, following in the footsteps of Detroit techno from the 80s and the 2-step and acid house coming out of the UK and Chicago. I live down the street from Hardwax, for fuck's sake.
    - JonnieCache 14y ago
      As much as there is an aesthetic link between the berlin sound and early dubstep, the croydon lot weren't listening to lots of basic channel and stuff at the time. The UK scene has its own independent subbass heritage. People in the london scene at least aren't generally that aware of what comes out of europe, especially back in the web 1.0 era we're talking about. Check out this from 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doMX6su9Ue0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doMX6su9Ue0 And this from 95: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjQZxMoF8Kc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjQZxMoF8Kc Both pure london sounds. Burial in particular was already doing that sound without having ever having heard of basic channel, until kode9 showed it to him. http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.co.uk/2006/03/soundboy-burial.html http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.co.uk/2006/03/soundboy-bur... Also living next to hardwax doesn't qualify you to know about tunes. My mum used to live near blackmarket and she hasn't got any dubs at all. EDIT: Also technically the R&S lot took that sound from english people like Mad Professor in the 80s :P
ebiester 14y ago
I've been listening to electronic music for, at some level, my whole life, and I feel ashamed to say I like brostep. I don't think it's fair to call it dubstep, but it has to be accepted on its own terms. "That's the worst turnip I've ever tasted!" "Sir, that's a daikon radish." "Well, then, it's not bad then." I think a lot of it has to do with expectation. I find brostep good cleaning music, actually -- the quick change of pace works for it. I also find a bit of emotional release from it -- there's something in the contrast for me, at least. But nobody I've ever met likes every type of music. :)
- nollidge 14y ago
  I like the turnip analogy. Sometimes it's just a matter of approaching a piece of art on different terms.
- _delirium 14y ago
  Yeah, a lot of the controversy seems to be (as ever) over genre classification. I hadn't really thought about it before, but I think I mentally file Skrillex-style music near "industrial dance" and some of the glitchier kinds of EBM.
mcantelon 14y ago
You're not missing anything. It's watered down.
wrt54g 14y ago
I see him as part of the first wave of the new pop-electronic which I think will be only more popular through this decade. It's certainly not typical traditional electronic music, so no, you aren't missing anything.
CRidge 14y ago
Hehe - I'm just de opposite :) Not a fan of electronic music at all - but can't stop listening to Skrillex :-) So I guess they're not that related after all :-p
drivers99 14y ago
I didn't really get it either until I went to a club and danced to it. I didn't even know how, I just copied what people were doing, picking up on the ambiance of the place and what fun people were having. By the time the place closed, I was having so much fun I didn't want it to end. It's probably true with all types of music, that the context in which you experience it will create the associations that determine whether you will like it or not.

Disclaimer: Personal Tidbit I love electronic music. But, I can not get into Skrillex or American Dubstep for that manner. I feel like im missing something...

by fumar 14y ago

Disclaimer: Personal Tidbit I love electronic music. But, I can not get into Skrillex or American Dubstep for that manner. I feel like im missing something...

md224 14y ago

I don't think you're missing anything, it's simply a matter of personal taste. I don't enjoy Skrillex either (dubstep to me is artists like Burial) but I can see why his more muscular approach might appeal to the American crowd.

fumar 14y ago
Correct, Burial, on the other hand makes music I enjoy.

andrewfelix 14y ago

Agreed. I find Skrillex derivative. It's like Chicane with extra noise. Dubstep can be awesome however.

recursive 14y ago
Skrillex is derivative but Chicane is original. That's a new one. I say this as a fan of both.
- andrewfelix 14y ago
  Never said Chicane was original. They're both derivative.
  - delackner 14y ago
    Obviously every song is in some way building on other previous works, but there are degrees of originality and contribution above and beyond the building blocks that a song draws from. Some songs seem to be just "beautiful component" + "harmonious other beautiful component" = "pleasant synthesis resulting in more beauty", while others seem to be "beautiful component" + "rotting vegetables" = "pretty rotting vegetables"...
radley 14y ago
Curious how you got from Chicane to Skrillex. Or to Chicane in the first place...

sneak 14y ago

The correct term for what you refer to as "american dubstep" is actually Brostep. Dubstep was invented in Europe in the 90s and came out of the early techno scene. The shit these douches are making in California is completely unrelated.

minikomi 14y ago
Interesting. I've always thought that Dubstep was a mutation which came out of the acid -> hardcore -> garage -> grime lineage in the UK.
anateus 14y ago
I really hate to be a "genre pedant", but Dubstep is a descendant of garage, dub, drum and bass and a few other styles from the very late 90s early 00s in England. "Early techno" is Detroit in the 80s. If you're correcting someone on nomenclature please be more accurate, and if you're trolling, please be funnier.
- balloot 14y ago
  You clearly don't hate to be a "genre pedant" :)
- mcantelon 14y ago
  "Brostep" is actually a pretty good term for it.
- sneak 14y ago
  Dubstep proper is a near direct descendant of dub techno, pioneered in Berlin in the early 90s, following in the footsteps of Detroit techno from the 80s and the 2-step and acid house coming out of the UK and Chicago. I live down the street from Hardwax, for fuck's sake.
  - JonnieCache 14y ago
    As much as there is an aesthetic link between the berlin sound and early dubstep, the croydon lot weren't listening to lots of basic channel and stuff at the time. The UK scene has its own independent subbass heritage. People in the london scene at least aren't generally that aware of what comes out of europe, especially back in the web 1.0 era we're talking about. Check out this from 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doMX6su9Ue0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doMX6su9Ue0 And this from 95: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjQZxMoF8Kc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjQZxMoF8Kc Both pure london sounds. Burial in particular was already doing that sound without having ever having heard of basic channel, until kode9 showed it to him. http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.co.uk/2006/03/soundboy-burial.html http://blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.co.uk/2006/03/soundboy-bur... Also living next to hardwax doesn't qualify you to know about tunes. My mum used to live near blackmarket and she hasn't got any dubs at all. EDIT: Also technically the R&S lot took that sound from english people like Mad Professor in the 80s :P

ebiester 14y ago

I've been listening to electronic music for, at some level, my whole life, and I feel ashamed to say I like brostep. I don't think it's fair to call it dubstep, but it has to be accepted on its own terms. "That's the worst turnip I've ever tasted!" "Sir, that's a daikon radish." "Well, then, it's not bad then." I think a lot of it has to do with expectation. I find brostep good cleaning music, actually -- the quick change of pace works for it. I also find a bit of emotional release from it -- there's something in the contrast for me, at least. But nobody I've ever met likes every type of music. :)

nollidge 14y ago
I like the turnip analogy. Sometimes it's just a matter of approaching a piece of art on different terms.
_delirium 14y ago
Yeah, a lot of the controversy seems to be (as ever) over genre classification. I hadn't really thought about it before, but I think I mentally file Skrillex-style music near "industrial dance" and some of the glitchier kinds of EBM.

mcantelon 14y ago

You're not missing anything. It's watered down.

wrt54g 14y ago

I see him as part of the first wave of the new pop-electronic which I think will be only more popular through this decade. It's certainly not typical traditional electronic music, so no, you aren't missing anything.

CRidge 14y ago

Hehe - I'm just de opposite :) Not a fan of electronic music at all - but can't stop listening to Skrillex :-) So I guess they're not that related after all :-p

drivers99 14y ago

I didn't really get it either until I went to a club and danced to it. I didn't even know how, I just copied what people were doing, picking up on the ambiance of the place and what fun people were having. By the time the place closed, I was having so much fun I didn't want it to end. It's probably true with all types of music, that the context in which you experience it will create the associations that determine whether you will like it or not.