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They also committed genocide as well. Surprising that even after Israeli human rights organizations acknowledge it, it still remains stuck in the mind of capita

They also committed genocide as well. Surprising that even after Israeli human rights organizations acknowledge it, it still remains stuck in the mind of capitalists to support profit at any cost.

pipes 4mo ago
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- ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo ago
  National Socialists were capitalists.. You known that right? Not everything with socialsts in the name begets communism, they served Industry and Capital to the fullest and sought to crush any leftist cause. https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-...
  - brightball 4mo ago
    Hitler explicitly adopted socialist & anti-capitalist rhetoric early on had heavy state control of industry and price controls in place. Political extremist always pander to control the people who will listen to them, selling lies at worst or at best hope that depends on a lack of understanding of human behavior and economics to follow things to their natural conclusions. Nazis, Socialists, Marxists, and Communists are all authoritarian extremist who share the same values.
    - ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo ago
      The same as Israelis.
- MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
  This person is either willfully ignorant, or an actual fascist attempting to blur the line. This exact line of thought has been used for decades to subvert the actual history of the Nazi party and their co-operation with corporations, undermining of labor unions, assault on socialist groups via their brown shirts, etc. This is a fascist talking point. It doesn't matter where the user possibly derived it from. The "National Socialist" party was explicitly anti-socialist. Their talking points explicitly refuted class boundaries, and enforced "cultural" boundaries, to create the scapegoat of the Jews as the primary cause for societal turmoil. Do not take this user seriously. Do not allow yourself to get into the weeds, they will not take any real discussion seriously. They are acting in bad faith.
  - pipes 4mo ago
    That is a lot of assumptions and personal attacks based on a question that you haven't answered. The soviets also actively clamped down on unions, were they not socialists either? Edit: I'll let someone else make the point for me: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4kg34a/comment/d3expxo/?screen_view_count=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4kg34a/comme...
    - MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
      “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” - Jean-Paul Sartre
      - pipes 4mo ago
        Are you calling me an anti Semite? Or am I missing the point you are making entirely?
        MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
        I'm saying you leaving a comment taking the name "National Socialist" literally is a well trodden path of misinformation and a long standing part of the post-war revisionism, such as the "Clean Wehrmacht" myth and the Double Genocide myth. It is not worth discussing seriously with you in particular, and I am writing for those reading these comments. The Nazi party purposefully used the term "Socialist" as a method to draw people away from the actual socialist workers groups of the time. These talking points are intended to blur the line of the very real evils of Nazi Germany. These same talking points are used by actual racists, anti-Semites, and modern fascists to distance themselves from the real historical example of what happens when their views gain traction. Similar to how people who participate in Holocaust denial would be rooting for the very same Holocaust.
- jjgreen 4mo ago
  Interesting question. Trotsky argued that the Nazis were essentially a middle-class phenomena, the forces of capital and labour being weakened to naught by the first world war; once the Nazis achieved power, they had to decide between them, that choice being made on the night of the long knives and the liquidation of the brownshirts.
- Matl 4mo ago
  Anyone can name themselves anything. Would you say that the Democratic Republic of the Congo is indeed democratic? I am going to guess not. 'Socialism' was rather popular in the early part of the 20th century and National Socialism was a right wing response to that, hence the marketing name. It was very much corporatist/pro capitalist in its policies and suppressed anything remotely socialist within its borders. But I suspect you knew that.
  - pipes 4mo ago
    It was also attempting a to create a centrally planned economy that would provide for all the populations needs and eliminate the concept of class. Which to me is socialism.

They also committed genocide as well. Surprising that even after Israeli human rights organizations acknowledge it, it still remains stuck in the mind of capitalists to support profit at any cost.

pipes 4mo ago

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ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo ago
National Socialists were capitalists.. You known that right? Not everything with socialsts in the name begets communism, they served Industry and Capital to the fullest and sought to crush any leftist cause. https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-hypercaptialism-social-darwinism-liberalism https://jacobin.com/2022/08/nazi-germany-national-socialism-...
- brightball 4mo ago
  Hitler explicitly adopted socialist & anti-capitalist rhetoric early on had heavy state control of industry and price controls in place. Political extremist always pander to control the people who will listen to them, selling lies at worst or at best hope that depends on a lack of understanding of human behavior and economics to follow things to their natural conclusions. Nazis, Socialists, Marxists, and Communists are all authoritarian extremist who share the same values.
  - ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo ago
    The same as Israelis.
MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
This person is either willfully ignorant, or an actual fascist attempting to blur the line. This exact line of thought has been used for decades to subvert the actual history of the Nazi party and their co-operation with corporations, undermining of labor unions, assault on socialist groups via their brown shirts, etc. This is a fascist talking point. It doesn't matter where the user possibly derived it from. The "National Socialist" party was explicitly anti-socialist. Their talking points explicitly refuted class boundaries, and enforced "cultural" boundaries, to create the scapegoat of the Jews as the primary cause for societal turmoil. Do not take this user seriously. Do not allow yourself to get into the weeds, they will not take any real discussion seriously. They are acting in bad faith.
- pipes 4mo ago
  That is a lot of assumptions and personal attacks based on a question that you haven't answered. The soviets also actively clamped down on unions, were they not socialists either? Edit: I'll let someone else make the point for me: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4kg34a/comment/d3expxo/?screen_view_count=1 https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4kg34a/comme...
  - MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
    “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” - Jean-Paul Sartre
    - pipes 4mo ago
      Are you calling me an anti Semite? Or am I missing the point you are making entirely?
      - MSFT_Edging 4mo ago
        I'm saying you leaving a comment taking the name "National Socialist" literally is a well trodden path of misinformation and a long standing part of the post-war revisionism, such as the "Clean Wehrmacht" myth and the Double Genocide myth. It is not worth discussing seriously with you in particular, and I am writing for those reading these comments. The Nazi party purposefully used the term "Socialist" as a method to draw people away from the actual socialist workers groups of the time. These talking points are intended to blur the line of the very real evils of Nazi Germany. These same talking points are used by actual racists, anti-Semites, and modern fascists to distance themselves from the real historical example of what happens when their views gain traction. Similar to how people who participate in Holocaust denial would be rooting for the very same Holocaust.
jjgreen 4mo ago
Interesting question. Trotsky argued that the Nazis were essentially a middle-class phenomena, the forces of capital and labour being weakened to naught by the first world war; once the Nazis achieved power, they had to decide between them, that choice being made on the night of the long knives and the liquidation of the brownshirts.
Matl 4mo ago
Anyone can name themselves anything. Would you say that the Democratic Republic of the Congo is indeed democratic? I am going to guess not. 'Socialism' was rather popular in the early part of the 20th century and National Socialism was a right wing response to that, hence the marketing name. It was very much corporatist/pro capitalist in its policies and suppressed anything remotely socialist within its borders. But I suspect you knew that.
- pipes 4mo ago
  It was also attempting a to create a centrally planned economy that would provide for all the populations needs and eliminate the concept of class. Which to me is socialism.