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The israeli ambassador in France should already have been kicked out a while ago for a myriad of reasons, I'm ashamed my country is so spineless.
by Zealotux 4mo ago
The israeli ambassador in France should already have been kicked out a while ago for a myriad of reasons, I'm ashamed my country is so spineless.
- youre-wrong3 4mo ago[flagged]
- expedition32 4mo agoA Dutch commentator said something incredibly profound that stuck with me: Israel is a Middle Eastern country instead of an outpost of European civilization.
- fakedang 4mo agoI wonder what makes Europeans think Israel is an outpost of European civilization - just the skin tone? Lol. Israel has always been a country trying to coopt the culture of its Arab neighbors. They've tried to claim shawarmas, falafel and hummus, dishes that are quintessentially Arabic, as their own.
- mschuster91 4mo ago> Israel has always been a country trying to coopt the culture of its Arab neighbors. They've tried to claim shawarmas, falafel and hummus, dishes that are quintessentially Arabic, as their own. That argument is just as much BS as the squabbles in the Balkans over who can claim Nikola Tesla, cevapcici, burek/börek, döner/gyros, pljeskavica and a whole other host of foods. Everyone got their own takes on food and trying to act like shawarma/falafel/hummus are "exclusively" Arabic (or Israeli) is borderline moronic.
- ChrisMarshallNY 4mo agoBaklava is a fairly good example of a “regional, not cultural” food. I have enjoyed Greek, Turkish, Lebanese, Moroccan, Afghan, and Iranian baklava. Each culture puts its own stamp on the food.
- jijijijij 4mo agoAlso dumplings, tortellini, Maultaschen, pierogi, ... Local pride across the globe, kinda boring around the world.
- fakedang 4mo agoThat's precisely my point. I didn't mean those dishes were Arabic by origin, but by prevalence. In fact, evidence points out to shawarma being an adaptation of the Turkish doner that was developed variously across the different provinces of the Ottoman Empire. But the fact of the matter is that these dishes ended up being the mainstay of Arabic cuisine long after the Ottoman Empire's end. Then a bunch of white Ashkenazi/Sephardic/Mizrahi bois ship on over from Europe and Yemen and Morocco and try to claim themselves as the originators when they clearly aren't.
- yoavm 4mo agoSkin tone? The aspiration to assign Western concepts of racism to Israeli society is so uninformed, if I am to be assuming good intentions, or very manipulative. More than half of Israeli Jews immigrated from Arab countries, and look Arab by all means. Including myself. It's literally impossible to tell if someone is an Israeli or a Palestinian based on their skin tone.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoIsrael is literally a European colony. Europe sent a bunch of people from Europe to an already populated land to settle there and displace the natives. What definition of "outpost" wouldn't include that?
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago> Europe sent a bunch of people from Europe to an already populated land to settle there and displace the natives Are we talking about recent Jewish migrants? Or migration under the British, the Ottomans, the Mongols, the Romans, the Macedonians, the Babylonians or the Sea Peoples? This American tendency to project black-white and colonist-colonised diametrics onto the world is insanely reductive. There are settler-colonial elements to Israel's creation. That one thread of commonality doesn't make it comparable to the New World.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoWe are talking about the country of Israel.
- hibberl7 4mo ago[flagged]
- weregiraffe 4mo agoInteresting idea, considering that the European civilization tried to exterminate the Jews in Europe not so long ago.
- chadgpt3 4mo agoAnd when other Europeans stopped those Europeans from murdering all the Jews, they decided to expel them to the middle east instead, creating the situation we have today.
- weregiraffe 4mo agoAre USA and USSR part of "European civilization"? In 1945 I'm not sure they'd agree.
- stuaxo 4mo agoWhich countries ?
- defrost 4mo agoAs of September 2025, the State of Palestine is recognized as a sovereign state by 157 of the 193 member states of the United Nations (UN), or just over 81% of all UN members. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Palestine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_P... Hamas, not so much.
- weregiraffe 4mo ago[flagged]
- Keyframe 4mo agoYou do realize French did administer Lebanon? All of those things led to that hot mess of a region.
- bdidiend 4mo ago[flagged]
- karmakurtisaani 4mo agoEuropeans couldn't even get Israel out of a silly pop song contest, so it seems a bit hopeless to expect any actual political action.
- bflesch 4mo ago[flagged]
- coldtea 4mo ago>Excluding Israeli citizens from it hurts their moderates more than it hurts the hardliners. Nah, it hurts their public image and thus hardliners. Like similar actions against South Africa did.
- ifwinterco 4mo agoWhatever their rhetoric they desperately crave respectability, making Israel a pariah state à la 1980s South Africa would hurt them badly. Why else are they even trying to be in Eurovision and UEFA in the first place
- gordonhart 4mo agoThey’re in UEFA because half of the countries in Asia (AFC) and Africa (CAF) wouldn’t play them. Same reason Russia considered leaving UEFA recently.
- coldtea 4mo ago>They’re in UEFA because half of the countries in Asia (AFC) and Africa (CAF) wouldn’t play them. And how's that a problem of UEFA?
- chadgpt3 4mo agoIsrael literally owns that contest. By what reasoning could the EU force the owner of a silly song contest to exclude their own country?
- vkou 4mo agoRogue states will attack Western democracy. It's a tale as old as... Well, actually, in the past few years, this one has done more on that front than all the others combined.
- throwawaypath 4mo ago[flagged]