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This may be a cynical take, but as someone with 10+ years of experience why should I care if companies are too short sighted to value and train juniors?
by mamidon 4mo ago
This may be a cynical take, but as someone with 10+ years of experience why should I care if companies are too short sighted to value and train juniors?
- antonvs 4mo agoWhere do you draw the line on that attitude? Do you not care about global warming because in your lifetime, you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live?
- graphime 4mo ago> Where do you draw the line on that attitude? I draw the line at things that directly impact my net worth. > Do you not care about global warming because you're probably not going to experience an unsurvivable wet bulb temperature where you happen to live in your lifetime? Correct. I don’t care about global warming or climate change.
- antonvs 4mo agoDo you believe in ethics or morality? If I decide you're having a negative impact on my net worth, can I come to your home and shoot you in the head? It seems we need a remedial class in morality here, where we work up to you understanding the golden rule. But perhaps you're not capable of understanding that. Is euthanizing you then the only option?
- MAustriaGA 4mo ago[flagged]
- LastTrain 4mo ago> I draw the line at things that directly impact my net worth. That is a really interesting admission upon which to evaluate your other comments here…
- tonyedgecombe 4mo ago>Correct. I don’t care about global warming or climate change. I suppose that makes a change from it's not happening or it is happening but it isn't man made or it is man made but we can't do anything about it.
- joshmoody24 4mo agoSo you don't care about things that indirectly affect your net worth? Credit score? Your overall health? How many friends you have?
- TheOtherHobbes 4mo agoYour assessment is incorrect. Climate change will have huge effects on everyone's net worth. The process has already started. Your failure to understand this will not change how it affects you.
- asdff 4mo agoHave you been formally diagnosed as a sociopath yet?
- jplusequalt 4mo agoNothing worse than a person who takes for granted all the hard work others put into society while smugly bragging about how they don't care about anyone but themselves.
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- Terr_ 4mo agoTo twist another saying: "Employers can be short-sighted for longer than I can delay my rent payment."
- wasabi991011 4mo agoWhy would their rent payment be affected in any way? They aren't a junior
- Terr_ 4mo agoWouldn't it be uncharitable to assume that the commenter is totally selfish and short-sighted? :p It may be a cliche, but it's all connected. In a general sense, programmers at different experience levels are at least partially substitutable goods. A crash in wages on one group will probably affect that other. In a more specific sense, companies won't pay seniors for skills at mentoring and managing the juniors they won't have.
- TheOtherHobbes 4mo agoLonger term this kind of stupidity will destroy the economy from both ends. Unless there's an unexpected jump in AI IQ, vibe-coded projects will start to unravel, but the companies won't have the resources to hire the human coders needed to fix the code. Meanwhile a lot of people with real skills and ability will have been unemployed long enough to depress spending across the entire economy. Those same people would have been prime drivers of spending, because they were one of the few demographics with significant disposable income and the ability to afford high rents and property prices. You can see where this is going. The people running the companies can't. Or if they can, they maybe believe they have an escape route. That will turn out to be a fantasy too. The problem isn't AI. it's an economy running on fantasy numbers that are unmoored from economic and physical reality.
- rockskon 4mo agoBecause eventually you'll get to the point where you've too much work to do and there's not enough people to delegate it to. Hope you like being overworked!
- strken 4mo agoIt's a self-solving problem, though. At that point, every remaining senior+ engineer will be paid a bajillion dollars (like they are now) and companies will start to invest in actual training.
- rockskon 4mo agoThat worked so well for the finance system finding new Cobol programmers!
- strken 4mo agoI am not convinced the finance system is struggling to find Cobol programmers. They certainly don't seem willing to pay them more on job listings. When you read an article about a "skills shortage" it's usually more of a pay shortage and/or a terrible working conditions overage.
- j7ake 4mo agoIt is better to be overworked than underworked
- LastTrain 4mo agoSure. Why give a shit about anything really.
- frollogaston 4mo agoYou're framing it like they're making a mistake, so if they are, yeah that's not good for you either. Idk though, really seems like the "AI layoffs" are just corps shedding headcount bloat accumulated in 2020-23.
- Traubenfuchs 4mo agoIt would actually be good for us… I never understood why software engineers were so excited about open source and teaching everyone to code. Why aren‘t we more like doctors or lawyers?
- bluefirebrand 4mo agoWhy aren't doctors or lawyers more like us?
- MAustriaGA 4mo agoBecause they like to monetize their worth.
- tonyedgecombe 4mo agoBecause they have professional bodies that act as gatekeepers.
- lifestyleguru 4mo agoThat'd be 200 bucks for an answer.
- dag100 4mo agoCan't really practice medical or legal skills from the comfort of your home on devices everyone has had for 10 years now. Also, unlike computers which must obey every whim of their master, lawyers and doctors deal with humans. Which makes raw skill less important.
- TheOtherHobbes 4mo agoBecause engineers enjoy tinkering more than anything, and they love telling everyone how fun tinkering is, and there was a narrative that tinkering was empowering and everyone should know how to do it, with a side order of "And if you get really good you can build a business and become super-rich too." But the reality is law is primarily about social capital, medicine has more of that than most people realise, and computer people love to pretend social capital is something other people do, and they don't need to.
- asdff 4mo agoIdeally you want society to continue to function after you retire unless you plan on jumping off a cliff at 62.