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It appears to affect only the companies that Trump decides it should affect.
by ks2048 4mo ago
It appears to affect only the companies that Trump decides it should affect.
- goatlover 4mo agoWhen did conservatives abandon the free market?
- gmoore 4mo agowhen has the market ever been free?
- CamperBob2 4mo agoAn hour ago?
- ks2048 4mo agoA completely “free” market is likely incoherent, but under normal terms - probably degrading since the 1970s. And very predictable if wealth can buy you power to change the system.
- girvo 4mo agoImmediately. It's always been a smokescreen, and markets have never been truly free. Thumbs on scale, at all times.
- thatguy0900 4mo agoTrump doesn't actually stand for basically a single conservative value outside of immigration and somehow he's eaten the entire party
- mullingitover 4mo agoThe immigration-baiting isn’t even a conservative position, most of the history of conservatism has been pro-immigration. Instead it’s simply the answer to the question, “how do you convince the last vestiges of the labor unions to drink poison and vote for the people who openly plan to destroy them.”
- andix 4mo agoWhen they turned into an authoritarian movement.
- bandrami 4mo agoIn the 2016 primary. Trump was always fiscally heterodox to the old GOP.
- edoceo 4mo agoI frequently see references to Regan and the ATC strike-busting. Can't tell if it's THE turning point but, it is a significant turn.
- Spooky23 4mo agoJust like “rule of law” and “family values”, “the troops” and some other stuff, free markets were never something they really care about. The reality of Republican free markets were about compounding and growing big business and resource extraction at the expense of everyone else. The rest is all about convincing suckers that getting kicked in the balls is good for them. The most obvious example being farmers. Most aspects of agriculture have been consolidated into oblivion and the markets are not super functional. 80% of the dairy operations in my state are out of business. 60 companies dominate eggs in the US - there used to be 3 in my city.
- cyberax 4mo agoThey never wanted the free market. They wanted an _unregulated_ market. There's a difference.
- jliptzin 4mo agoThey'll settle for an unregulated market. What they really want is a free market for them and their friends, and crippling regulation for their competitors.
- gorgoiler 4mo agoThe big difference between left and right is that leftish politics are based on everyone being equal, and rightish politics accept that some are more equal than others. It’s not such a terrible tension to live with. We can have, say, equal rights to life while also allowing unequal rights to gold nuggets. You might have more gold nuggets than I do but we both have the right to live in peace. The far ends of the spectrum though involve, respectively, redistribution of gold nuggets to all, and at the other end a commitment to survival of the fittest that extends to viewing any kind of market regulation as commie bullshit.
- xdennis 4mo ago> When did conservatives abandon the free market? You're using terms incorrectly. Conservatism has nothing to do with free market. The people who care most about free markets are liberals (called libertarians in the US). Presumably you mean to say "Republicans". And your answer is "under Trump". But it's important to note that Trump merely took the Republican party back to its roots. Traditionally, Republicans were more protectionists than the Democrats. Regan changed that, and Trump reverted. But what annoys me about people who criticize this change, is that it often comes from people who don't believe in free markets. --- As a side note, I think the reason Americans use these terms so wrongly is because of the 2 party system. It forces all ideologies into two camps and for Americans "conservatism", "libertarianism", "nationalism", "fascism" are all the same.
- SV_BubbleTime 4mo agoTrump ran as on the Republican ticket, he had been a lifelong NYC Democrat up until he ran for president. Republican != Conservative… and in reality Trump is neither, but at the same time, the type of Democrat he was no longer exists. It’s also a mistake to confuse Republican for Establishment GOP.
- pixelready 4mo agoI think without a clear, shared definition of “free” the term “free market” has no actual social value and just becomes a political football that sounds good but changes meaning at a whim. Some people use it to mean completely unregulated, some people use it as a synonym for “fair”, and ne’er the twain shall meet.