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Doubtful. Fable 5 is insanely good it’ll sell itself. No need for unscrupulous advertising tactics. What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering. Li

by lwyrup 4mo ago

Doubtful. Fable 5 is insanely good it’ll sell itself. No need for unscrupulous advertising tactics. What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering. Like is it a “Non-US Citizen”? Do US citizens abroad count?

simoncion 4mo ago
> What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering. The following quoted text is from the Definitions section of 8 USC § 1101, which is reproduced at [0]. (Though, you will probably have to scroll up a bit to be able to read subsection (a)(21), which is the thing I'm linking to.) (21) The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state. (22) The term “national of the United States” means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States. (23) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever. From this, it's fairly clear that a "foreign national" is someone owing permanent allegiance to a foreign (that is, non-US) state. What's not immediately clear to me is whether a US citizen can also be a "foreign national", [1] and how that would affect access to things from which foreign nationals are barred. [2] EDIT: For a more official source of this information, you might be able to check out [3] and/or [4]. After examining and interacting with those pages, one might see why one might go to an unofficial source for casual inspection of this information. [0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101#a_21 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101#a_21 [1] I think they can be. [2] I'm very uncertain. [3] <https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1101&num=0&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim...> [4] <https://uscode.house.gov/browse/prelim@title8/chapter12/subchapter1&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/browse/prelim@title8/chapter12/subc...>
- amanaplanacanal 4mo ago
  I owe allegiance to no state. I prefer to think of myself as a citizen of the world. It's kind of a weird definition. I would guess most people's nationality is more an accident of birth than anything else.
- bvierra01 4mo ago
  A "foreign national" is any person who is not a US Citizen: "The United States Department of State defines a “foreign national” as anyone who is not a “U.S. person.” A “U.S. person” is any one of the following: U.S. citizen; Lawful permanent resident (green card holder); and “Protected Person” i.e. political asylum holder." [0] A foreign national is a person or organization who is not a citizen of the United States, and who is a citizen of a foreign country. The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) uses the term "alien" to refer to a person who is not a United States citizen, and does not use the term "foreign national."[1] [0] https://www.orc.msstate.edu/faq/what-department-states-definition-foreign-national-mississippi-state-uses-term-non-us-person https://www.orc.msstate.edu/faq/what-department-states-defin... [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/foreign_national https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/foreign_national
  - throwaway2037 4mo ago
    I also found this: https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary > Foreign national: A person without U.S. citizenship or nationality (may include a stateless person). This term is synonymous with “alien”
eks391 4mo ago
Foreign national is anyone who doesn't have legally recognized citizenship of the USA. So citizens living abroad aren't barred, nor would dual citizens be.

by lwyrup 4mo ago

simoncion 4mo ago

> What is a “foreign national” is more what I’m wondering. The following quoted text is from the Definitions section of 8 USC § 1101, which is reproduced at [0]. (Though, you will probably have to scroll up a bit to be able to read subsection (a)(21), which is the thing I'm linking to.) (21) The term “national” means a person owing permanent allegiance to a state. (22) The term “national of the United States” means (A) a citizen of the United States, or (B) a person who, though not a citizen of the United States, owes permanent allegiance to the United States. (23) The term “naturalization” means the conferring of nationality of a state upon a person after birth, by any means whatsoever. From this, it's fairly clear that a "foreign national" is someone owing permanent allegiance to a foreign (that is, non-US) state. What's not immediately clear to me is whether a US citizen can also be a "foreign national", [1] and how that would affect access to things from which foreign nationals are barred. [2] EDIT: For a more official source of this information, you might be able to check out [3] and/or [4]. After examining and interacting with those pages, one might see why one might go to an unofficial source for casual inspection of this information. [0] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101#a_21 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1101#a_21 [1] I think they can be. [2] I'm very uncertain. [3] <https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim-title8-section1101&num=0&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=granuleid:USC-prelim...> [4] <https://uscode.house.gov/browse/prelim@title8/chapter12/subchapter1&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/browse/prelim@title8/chapter12/subc...>

amanaplanacanal 4mo ago
I owe allegiance to no state. I prefer to think of myself as a citizen of the world. It's kind of a weird definition. I would guess most people's nationality is more an accident of birth than anything else.
bvierra01 4mo ago
A "foreign national" is any person who is not a US Citizen: "The United States Department of State defines a “foreign national” as anyone who is not a “U.S. person.” A “U.S. person” is any one of the following: U.S. citizen; Lawful permanent resident (green card holder); and “Protected Person” i.e. political asylum holder." [0] A foreign national is a person or organization who is not a citizen of the United States, and who is a citizen of a foreign country. The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) uses the term "alien" to refer to a person who is not a United States citizen, and does not use the term "foreign national."[1] [0] https://www.orc.msstate.edu/faq/what-department-states-definition-foreign-national-mississippi-state-uses-term-non-us-person https://www.orc.msstate.edu/faq/what-department-states-defin... [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/foreign_national https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/foreign_national
- throwaway2037 4mo ago
  I also found this: https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary https://www.uscis.gov/tools/glossary > Foreign national: A person without U.S. citizenship or nationality (may include a stateless person). This term is synonymous with “alien”

eks391 4mo ago

Foreign national is anyone who doesn't have legally recognized citizenship of the USA. So citizens living abroad aren't barred, nor would dual citizens be.