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You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public. It is completely legal to film someone on the street. This is important for other reasons, as it is th

You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public. It is completely legal to film someone on the street. This is important for other reasons, as it is the same law that allows you to film cops.

dgellow 4mo ago
It's actually country specific, you don't have a universal rule that you can legally record people in public
fusslo 4mo ago
law != ethics
- m463 4mo ago
  "remember, we have a legal system, not a justice system"
  - lostmsu 4mo ago
    "Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people whom we personally dislike."
whilenot-dev 4mo ago
This seems like a US-centric view, because "it is NOT completely legal to film someone on the street" in the european country I live.
- drstewart 4mo ago
  I love how Europeans claim they aren't one country but then refuse to specify where they're from. Anyway that sounds like a very specific view only in your country since it's completely fine in the North American country in which I live.
  - watwut 4mo ago
    He did not said it is true in every single EU country. He said it is false in his one. He also said it is US-centric view. Which it is. Americans tend to think all the other countries are just little worst America or enemies. And get real angry when EU countries dont just project simplified American politics, but have their own equally complex one.
    - drstewart 4mo ago
      Nothing in the original post mentioned the US. Germans all think this way. What a German-centric view. Germans tend to think anything they don't do is just America-centric. And get real angry when other countries dont just have the same German views, but have ones that may be closer to America.
  - whilenot-dev 4mo ago
    With a bit of clicking around you could easily find out to which country I'm referring to. I know neighboring countries have similar rulings, so how does that really change anything? GP made some US-centric statements in, absolute form, in a thread about initiatives from the European legislature... make it make sense, please. As EU citizen I don't yearn for inspiration from the US legal system when it comes to matters of privacy. The rights to privacy of any individual shouldn't be waved aside just because they happen to be situated in public space.
drawfloat 4mo ago
In America. That is not true for all other countries. And in even more countries it is legal to film, but it's not legal to send that footage back to Meta's servers for use in LLM training.
- drstewart 4mo ago
  And in even even more countries, it's actually perfectly fine to do any of that. In before your definition of the world is a handful of tiny white countries
  - drawfloat 4mo ago
    We’re talking about Europe. The context of this entire article is Europe.
hootz 4mo ago
As someone already said, I am not talking about legality, but about ethics.
WesolyKubeczek 4mo ago
In some jurisdictions, it depends. You may film “a street”, and people go into and out of the frame all the time, and it’s okay. But if you take a random passerby and make them the focus of your recording, you may run into problems.
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Gigachad 4mo ago
What you have a reasonable expectation of is decided by society, not some unmoving law of physics. A country could very easily decide you do have the right to go outside without creeps recording you with spy glasses.
- lostmsu 4mo ago
  Or it could also decide that you can add a digital eye to your existing two bio eyes without being called a creep and thrown in jail or issued a fine for wanting to remember something or getting assisted with something.

You have no reasonable expectation of privacy in public. It is completely legal to film someone on the street. This is important for other reasons, as it is the same law that allows you to film cops.

dgellow 4mo ago

It's actually country specific, you don't have a universal rule that you can legally record people in public

fusslo 4mo ago

law != ethics

m463 4mo ago
"remember, we have a legal system, not a justice system"
- lostmsu 4mo ago
  "Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people whom we personally dislike."

whilenot-dev 4mo ago

This seems like a US-centric view, because "it is NOT completely legal to film someone on the street" in the european country I live.

drstewart 4mo ago
I love how Europeans claim they aren't one country but then refuse to specify where they're from. Anyway that sounds like a very specific view only in your country since it's completely fine in the North American country in which I live.
- watwut 4mo ago
  He did not said it is true in every single EU country. He said it is false in his one. He also said it is US-centric view. Which it is. Americans tend to think all the other countries are just little worst America or enemies. And get real angry when EU countries dont just project simplified American politics, but have their own equally complex one.
  - drstewart 4mo ago
    Nothing in the original post mentioned the US. Germans all think this way. What a German-centric view. Germans tend to think anything they don't do is just America-centric. And get real angry when other countries dont just have the same German views, but have ones that may be closer to America.
- whilenot-dev 4mo ago
  With a bit of clicking around you could easily find out to which country I'm referring to. I know neighboring countries have similar rulings, so how does that really change anything? GP made some US-centric statements in, absolute form, in a thread about initiatives from the European legislature... make it make sense, please. As EU citizen I don't yearn for inspiration from the US legal system when it comes to matters of privacy. The rights to privacy of any individual shouldn't be waved aside just because they happen to be situated in public space.

drawfloat 4mo ago

In America. That is not true for all other countries. And in even more countries it is legal to film, but it's not legal to send that footage back to Meta's servers for use in LLM training.

drstewart 4mo ago
And in even even more countries, it's actually perfectly fine to do any of that. In before your definition of the world is a handful of tiny white countries
- drawfloat 4mo ago
  We’re talking about Europe. The context of this entire article is Europe.

hootz 4mo ago

As someone already said, I am not talking about legality, but about ethics.

WesolyKubeczek 4mo ago

In some jurisdictions, it depends. You may film “a street”, and people go into and out of the frame all the time, and it’s okay. But if you take a random passerby and make them the focus of your recording, you may run into problems.

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Gigachad 4mo ago

What you have a reasonable expectation of is decided by society, not some unmoving law of physics. A country could very easily decide you do have the right to go outside without creeps recording you with spy glasses.

lostmsu 4mo ago
Or it could also decide that you can add a digital eye to your existing two bio eyes without being called a creep and thrown in jail or issued a fine for wanting to remember something or getting assisted with something.