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If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out. The code is largely an implementation detail. At least

by tombert 4mo ago

If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out. The code is largely an implementation detail. At least that's how it was for me, maybe other peoples' careers are different.

bluefirebrand 4mo ago
Yes, my career has been different. At my workplaces seniors still have to code because they dont want to hire juniors The "planning things out" has moved to another layer, called "architects"
lelanthran 4mo ago
> If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out. If they're so good at banging out code now, they're coming for that too, you know.
- tombert 4mo ago
  I don't necessarily disagree, but there's gotta be a name for some kind of "infinite extrapolation" fallacy, where you assume that the current rate of progress will continue indefinitely. That might happen, but I don't think it's implied, at least given literally every other bit of technology that has ever happened in history ever.
  - lelanthran 4mo ago
    > I don't necessarily disagree, but there's gotta be a name for some kind of "infinite extrapolation" fallacy, where you assume that the current rate of progress will continue indefinitely. I am not assuming they'll continue indefinitely, but it's a small step from writing code to planning out the code to write, and another small step from planning a coding project to planning a software project, etc. These are all small steps, and because the act of specification + planning paid less than specification + planning + programming, what reason do you have for thinking that specification + planning is valuable enough to keep the salaries the same as specification + planning + programming?
    - tombert 4mo ago
      I think with a fixed size problem, no we wouldn't be able to demand the same salaries that we get now. I dispute that the problem is fixed size. The people who are senior engineers now will learn how to think at a higher level with the AI models.
      - lelanthran 4mo ago
        > The people who are senior engineers now will learn how to think at a higher level with the AI models. I think my argument is that, if they were going to do that, they would have done so by now - they already say that actual coding was only a small percentage of their work anyway.
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by tombert 4mo ago

bluefirebrand 4mo ago

Yes, my career has been different. At my workplaces seniors still have to code because they dont want to hire juniors The "planning things out" has moved to another layer, called "architects"

lelanthran 4mo ago

> If you get to senior level then most of your job probably is not writing code, but planning things out. If they're so good at banging out code now, they're coming for that too, you know.

tombert 4mo ago
I don't necessarily disagree, but there's gotta be a name for some kind of "infinite extrapolation" fallacy, where you assume that the current rate of progress will continue indefinitely. That might happen, but I don't think it's implied, at least given literally every other bit of technology that has ever happened in history ever.
- lelanthran 4mo ago
  > I don't necessarily disagree, but there's gotta be a name for some kind of "infinite extrapolation" fallacy, where you assume that the current rate of progress will continue indefinitely. I am not assuming they'll continue indefinitely, but it's a small step from writing code to planning out the code to write, and another small step from planning a coding project to planning a software project, etc. These are all small steps, and because the act of specification + planning paid less than specification + planning + programming, what reason do you have for thinking that specification + planning is valuable enough to keep the salaries the same as specification + planning + programming?
  - tombert 4mo ago
    I think with a fixed size problem, no we wouldn't be able to demand the same salaries that we get now. I dispute that the problem is fixed size. The people who are senior engineers now will learn how to think at a higher level with the AI models.
    - lelanthran 4mo ago
      > The people who are senior engineers now will learn how to think at a higher level with the AI models. I think my argument is that, if they were going to do that, they would have done so by now - they already say that actual coding was only a small percentage of their work anyway.
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