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This is the cursor callout. Don't make us shame you into disclosure
by htrp 4mo ago
This is the cursor callout.
Don't make us shame you into disclosure
- giancarlostoro 4mo agoAh is that what it is? I don't use Cursor, never saw it as being relevant to me, but would not surprise me.
- schmorptron 4mo agoCursor's composer models are finetuned kimi
- varispeed 4mo agoThey are unusable (unless you want to deliberately destroy your codebase). So if Cursor's models are Kimi based, then well. I'll skip them altogether.
- bel8 4mo agoI wouldn't skip at least testing the original. Model distilling done by Cursor could be the culprit.
- Bnjoroge 4mo agoThey are far from unusable. They aork great for 80-90% of a typical full stack dev. Alot less useful for more noche stuff
- qingcharles 4mo agoThey're not unusable, they're just bad when compared with all the real frontier models.
- vidarh 4mo agoKimi works great in their CLI, but their CLI has a number of workarounds for quirks of their models, including detecting when the model gets into a loop, and reverting to a checkpoint but letting the model compose a "message" to its past self (search their CLI for "BackToTheFuture"...) It doesn't work so well in a harness that doesn't take those quirks into account.
- jmcqk6 4mo agoI'm using Composer extensively, and it works great for me. Your experiences are not universal.
- esskay 4mo agoComposer 1.x was poor. The new one is a totally different beast and absolutely fine for day to day.
- ok_dad 4mo agoI only use composer 2.5 day to day and it works fine with human review.
- AgentMasterRace 4mo agoComposer is really good, but just like any Chinese model it needs a good plan. It's cheap and fast, in 1 month of pro I used the equivalent of 500$ in API credit for it.
- 7734128 4mo agoWasn't the end of that story that Cursor had a non-disclosure licence, so they had not done anything wrong towards Moonshot?
- Maxious 4mo agoMoonshot licenced it to Fireworks AI who licenced it to Cursor.
- codemog 4mo agoShaming others when all AI is trained off scraped content and code huh? Many of those sources either breaking ToS or being illegal, such as Anna’s Archive. Bold move. And Chinese models in particular have been accused of distilling off American models. Don’t you know there’s no honor among thieves?
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- maherbeg 4mo agoCursor had a specific licensing agreement that allowed them to brand it how they want.
- ignoramous 4mo ago> Cursor had a specific licensing agreement... Cursor had an "agreement" with Fireworks.ai, which apparently allowed them to RL Composer 2 atop Kimi Base 2.5 without attribution: https://x.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2035074972943831491 https://x.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2035074972943831491 / https://archive.vn/CcdkI https://archive.vn/CcdkI Composer 2 performed differently on evals than Moonshot.ai's coding models: Cursor claims theirs is better than Claude Opus 4.6: https://x.com/fynnso/status/2034706304875602030 https://x.com/fynnso/status/2034706304875602030 / https://archive.vn/bVtik https://archive.vn/bVtik. And, per Lee Robinson (Cursor employee), it is very likely Cursor builds its own foundational model for Composer 3.