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>> It leaves um, uh, er and elongated versions (ummmm, uhhhhh) alone. Something's already gone wrong here. Uh and er refer to the same sound. Uh is the America

>> It leaves um, uh, er and elongated versions (ummmm, uhhhhh) alone. Something's already gone wrong here. Uh and er refer to the same sound. Uh is the American spelling. Er is British; to them a following "r" like that is just a kind of vowel.

chrismorgan 5mo ago
Um… no. Quite different vowel sounds. (Also, in case it wasn’t clear: I was quoting from the start of the article in that sentence.)
- thaumasiotes 5mo ago
  They're quite different vowel sounds in the same sense that "back" and "back" use "quite different vowel sounds" when pronounced by American vs British speakers. But not in any other sense. > in case it wasn’t clear: I was quoting from the start of the article in that sentence. You don't seem to be quoting from the article at all, actually. You've combined two different sentences in a way that grossly misrepresents what the article says. But that's not really relevant to the point here.
Silamoth 4mo ago
Regardless of American vs. British spellings, those are not the same sound. Some British people may pronounce them the same. Americans definitely pronounce them differently, though. For instance, the word “water” has a hard “r” sound at the end; Americans don’t pronounce it “watuh” like some British people do.
- thaumasiotes 4mo ago
  They are two names for the same sound. There is no particle "er" in American English. There could be one, theoretically, but there isn't.
Izkata 4mo ago
"Er" is definitely distinct as an interjection, it's usually used instead of "um" to indicate a correction and does sound different.
- thaumasiotes 4mo ago
  Are you claiming that a rhotic "er" exists in American English, or that the British particle "er" is distinct from the British particle "erm"? > it's usually used instead of "um" to indicate a correction and does sound different Obviously people can hear the difference between vocalizing with your mouth open and vocalizing with your mouth closed. But there is no systematic difference in use, similarly to how there is no systematic difference in use between "uh-huh" and "mhm".
  - Izkata 4mo ago
    > Are you claiming that a rhotic "er" exists in American English, or that the British particle "er" is distinct from the British particle "erm"? Neither. In Amrican English we're fully pronouncing the "r" when we say "er" instead of "um". > Obviously people can hear the difference between vocalizing with your mouth open and vocalizing with your mouth closed. That would be "uh" vs "um", not "er".

chrismorgan 5mo ago

Um… no. Quite different vowel sounds. (Also, in case it wasn’t clear: I was quoting from the start of the article in that sentence.)

thaumasiotes 5mo ago
They're quite different vowel sounds in the same sense that "back" and "back" use "quite different vowel sounds" when pronounced by American vs British speakers. But not in any other sense. > in case it wasn’t clear: I was quoting from the start of the article in that sentence. You don't seem to be quoting from the article at all, actually. You've combined two different sentences in a way that grossly misrepresents what the article says. But that's not really relevant to the point here.

Silamoth 4mo ago

Regardless of American vs. British spellings, those are not the same sound. Some British people may pronounce them the same. Americans definitely pronounce them differently, though. For instance, the word “water” has a hard “r” sound at the end; Americans don’t pronounce it “watuh” like some British people do.

thaumasiotes 4mo ago
They are two names for the same sound. There is no particle "er" in American English. There could be one, theoretically, but there isn't.

Izkata 4mo ago

"Er" is definitely distinct as an interjection, it's usually used instead of "um" to indicate a correction and does sound different.

thaumasiotes 4mo ago
Are you claiming that a rhotic "er" exists in American English, or that the British particle "er" is distinct from the British particle "erm"? > it's usually used instead of "um" to indicate a correction and does sound different Obviously people can hear the difference between vocalizing with your mouth open and vocalizing with your mouth closed. But there is no systematic difference in use, similarly to how there is no systematic difference in use between "uh-huh" and "mhm".
- Izkata 4mo ago
  > Are you claiming that a rhotic "er" exists in American English, or that the British particle "er" is distinct from the British particle "erm"? Neither. In Amrican English we're fully pronouncing the "r" when we say "er" instead of "um". > Obviously people can hear the difference between vocalizing with your mouth open and vocalizing with your mouth closed. That would be "uh" vs "um", not "er".