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This has to be trolling, right? I find it hard to believe that anyone, no matter how dense, could come to this conclusion after this whole saga.

inigyou 4mo ago
I think you're overestimating the quality of American education. 40% of graduates can't read or write.
- noisy_boy 4mo ago
  Their use of "already" at the end of the sentence + renting servers in Singapore region points more towards Singaporean and/or Chinese education.
- jdiff 4mo ago
  I have a coworker who, when he needs to operate some software that is unfamiliar to him, snaps a photo of it and has Gemini AI read each label and description. If there is a checklist or form that needs to be filled, Gemini reads each question. There's only one of him, not 40% of my coworkers, but these people can be employed and maintain employment.
  - kombookcha 3mo ago
    I used to have a coworker who could get by using her Office programs fine, but would freeze completely the moment something unexpected happened or there was an error message. She didn't really know how to find stuff independently or navigate the menus, but she had carefully memorized all the little paths and procedures she would need. She did good work with it, but any time there was an update that reshuffled some buttons she would be very distressed about it. In hindsight I suspect she was dyslexic and having this mental map was her workaround for reading a bunch of buttons with unfamiliar words without clear contexts. People are very good at figuring out ways to get by in their day to day and get around various personal challenges and limitations. Sometimes so good, you don't even realize they're doing it!
Bishonen88 4mo ago
yup, same thoughts here. I think someone is trolling the irc members. It's so over the top, like an episode of 'the office'. I'd be amazed if this were an honest message.
arlcode 4mo ago
Maybe? It just takes one after all. I've met some people IRL who are so engulfed in their own greatness that it simply cannot be that they made a mistake (in planning and strategy). Therefore this is all a great injustice towards a poor victim and doesn't that sound like a great argument for some charity money. Most of them grow out of it, some become politicians. I'd say it's a 50/50 chance.
- jesterson 4mo ago
  I'd say you are a great optimist. If you'd ask me, I would put chances or learning somewhere between 0.001 and 0.01
nkrisc 4mo ago
Sadly there are lots of unintelligent people out there who are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions.
- MrMorden 4mo ago
  US lawyers keep filing LLM-generated pleadings and refuse to check citations. It's taken state discipline committees a long time to get there, but they're close to figuring out that any option other than prompt disbarment just increases the pain for people who are actually qualified to practice and doesn't noticeably increase the number of practitioners who see the error of their ways. The ABA will eventually make sure that this behavior is identified in law school and people who don't want to take responsibility for what they file are expelled well before graduation, but in the meantime there are a ton of screwups in the profession and all you can do is kick them when they identify themselves.
  - inigyou 4mo ago
    Microsoft will then bribe the government to abolish this antitrust scheme for lawyers known as "the bar" which anticompetivley prevents AIs from doing law.
themafia 4mo ago
And for $200/mo they can now sing the song that ends the world.
12_throw_away 4mo ago
dunno, a loop I've seen in folks with main character syndrome: grandiose idea -> minimal effort execution -> failure -> blame something -> grandiose idea for "justice" / revenge -> GOTO 0. the good news is I've seen at least two seemingly irredeemable assholes grow out of it when they realized it wasn't working. but in general I don't think introspection and self-examination are universal traits

inigyou 4mo ago

I think you're overestimating the quality of American education. 40% of graduates can't read or write.

noisy_boy 4mo ago
Their use of "already" at the end of the sentence + renting servers in Singapore region points more towards Singaporean and/or Chinese education.
jdiff 4mo ago
I have a coworker who, when he needs to operate some software that is unfamiliar to him, snaps a photo of it and has Gemini AI read each label and description. If there is a checklist or form that needs to be filled, Gemini reads each question. There's only one of him, not 40% of my coworkers, but these people can be employed and maintain employment.
- kombookcha 3mo ago
  I used to have a coworker who could get by using her Office programs fine, but would freeze completely the moment something unexpected happened or there was an error message. She didn't really know how to find stuff independently or navigate the menus, but she had carefully memorized all the little paths and procedures she would need. She did good work with it, but any time there was an update that reshuffled some buttons she would be very distressed about it. In hindsight I suspect she was dyslexic and having this mental map was her workaround for reading a bunch of buttons with unfamiliar words without clear contexts. People are very good at figuring out ways to get by in their day to day and get around various personal challenges and limitations. Sometimes so good, you don't even realize they're doing it!

Bishonen88 4mo ago

yup, same thoughts here. I think someone is trolling the irc members. It's so over the top, like an episode of 'the office'. I'd be amazed if this were an honest message.

arlcode 4mo ago

Maybe? It just takes one after all. I've met some people IRL who are so engulfed in their own greatness that it simply cannot be that they made a mistake (in planning and strategy). Therefore this is all a great injustice towards a poor victim and doesn't that sound like a great argument for some charity money. Most of them grow out of it, some become politicians. I'd say it's a 50/50 chance.

jesterson 4mo ago
I'd say you are a great optimist. If you'd ask me, I would put chances or learning somewhere between 0.001 and 0.01

nkrisc 4mo ago

Sadly there are lots of unintelligent people out there who are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions.

MrMorden 4mo ago
US lawyers keep filing LLM-generated pleadings and refuse to check citations. It's taken state discipline committees a long time to get there, but they're close to figuring out that any option other than prompt disbarment just increases the pain for people who are actually qualified to practice and doesn't noticeably increase the number of practitioners who see the error of their ways. The ABA will eventually make sure that this behavior is identified in law school and people who don't want to take responsibility for what they file are expelled well before graduation, but in the meantime there are a ton of screwups in the profession and all you can do is kick them when they identify themselves.
- inigyou 4mo ago
  Microsoft will then bribe the government to abolish this antitrust scheme for lawyers known as "the bar" which anticompetivley prevents AIs from doing law.

themafia 4mo ago

And for $200/mo they can now sing the song that ends the world.

12_throw_away 4mo ago

dunno, a loop I've seen in folks with main character syndrome: grandiose idea -> minimal effort execution -> failure -> blame something -> grandiose idea for "justice" / revenge -> GOTO 0. the good news is I've seen at least two seemingly irredeemable assholes grow out of it when they realized it wasn't working. but in general I don't think introspection and self-examination are universal traits