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It's by default so you use all those tasty tokens. Kinda wish there was a deterministic, mostly terse, language to interact with computers
by witx 4mo ago
It's by default so you use all those tasty tokens.
Kinda wish there was a deterministic, mostly terse, language to interact with computers
- Etheryte 4mo agoIt's called C. With all the undefined behavior it's mostly deterministic!
- witx 4mo agoRight, because that's the only one. You're a bit rusty on your knowledge
- zelphirkalt 4mo agoI see what you did there.
- anilakar 4mo agoLook, we're always telling our bosses to stop micromanaging us. UB is just the compiler telling us to stop micromanaging it!
- well_ackshually 4mo agoSorry, C isn't mostly terse, it's __builtin_mstly_trs()
- lelanthran 4mo ago> It's called C. With all the undefined behavior it's mostly deterministic! With AI, all programs have undefined behaviour, regardless of language.
- sodapopcan 4mo ago> a deterministic, mostly terse, language Ah, like some sort of "programming language"? A weird idea, but it could work!
- giantrobot 4mo agoNah, it'll never catch on. We don't have the technology.
- sodapopcan 4mo agoObviously I meant within the next 6 to 18 months!
- adrianN 4mo agoTerse and unambiguous seem to be at odds with each other. You might want to look into Lojban and similar constructions.
- drdaeman 4mo agoIthkuil's mad morphology allows it to pack a lot of fine detail into very short sentences. https://ithkuil.net/03_morphology.html https://ithkuil.net/03_morphology.html
- teaearlgraycold 4mo agoA lot of users are subsidized (if you're in doubt, consider the wealth of free users). It's a shotgun approach to answering questions. If it's terse it might only mention 1 of 10 facts it could provide, and that might not be the one you're looking for. So they just say a fuck ton of words and are more likely to meet the needs of everyone asking your question. If they miss it you'll prompt it again and they have to perform a second pass of inference, which costs them more money.
- UqWBcuFx6NV4r 4mo agoIt’s not.
- witx 4mo agoIt's settled then.
- Perz1val 4mo agoKinda, more output tokens usually correlates with better benchmark scores. Ideally LLMs would keep that in their thinking section, then draft a response (what they write currently), then output something short. It'd consume even more tokens, but we wouldn't see that text
- dannyw 4mo agoMost modern LLMs (especially frontier ones) are large token hogs because they draft, check, re-draft, the content (whether an output message; or a code diff) sometimes multiple times in the thinking block. When you see a thinking summary like "Now writing the function..."; the raw thinking is actually writing the function in its internal thinking. Occasionally, the summariser misses and you get to see the raw text from models like Opus. You can also try an open weight LLM like Qwen3.6 and see something that probably resembles the shape of frontier model thinking in some loose way.
- Retr0id 4mo agoIf such a language existed, it would surely take a human years of study to become proficient at it.
- ska80 4mo agoLisp
- paradox460 4mo agoLoglan?