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hey look at all those fucking words you wrote defending child pornography. I didn't read any of it, but you should forward it to your family, I'm sure they'd be

by ahelwer 14y ago

hey look at all those fucking words you wrote defending child pornography. I didn't read any of it, but you should forward it to your family, I'm sure they'd be very proud. Glancing up I caught the phrase "just another sexual orientation." There's no point in arguing with this crap. You people need to get out of this virtual bubble where child pornography is somehow a divisive issue and into the real world, where real children suffer real abuse at the hands of real people so they can get their rocks off. The lack of empathy is just stunning.

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marvin 14y ago
This type of discourse isn't welcome in this community. Please be civil. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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Confusion 14y ago
Hey, look how you seem incapable of arguing politely and convincingly, just because the issue is child pornography. Pedosexual acts are forbidden because there is no possibility of free, informed, consent. There is an asymmetric power relationship between an adult and a child that the adult is probably not aware of. For this reason, and this reason alone, pedosexual acts are forbidden. It's entirely reasonable to believe an adult and a child could have a healthy sexual relationship and some people will testify they had such relationships as children. The crucial point is that it is never possible to ascertain this was actually the case and is ever actually the case. If you are a pedophile in a sexual relationship with a child, it is entirely unreasonable to believe your relationship is a healthy one. To be on the safe side and because we cannot possibly differentiate, there is a blanket ban on such relationships. Pedophilia is not forbidden. Like homosexuality, it is a minority sexual preference. However, unlike in the case of homosexuality, society is unlikely to ever allow relationships in which the physical acts to which this preference leads can have a place. As such pedophiles need to learn to ignore their feelings. They need help in doing that and we should support every single one that acknowledges his problem and seeks help. Pedophiles are not people that abuse children. People that abuse children are criminals. Usually they are also pedophiles, but that doesn't mean you may interpret it the other way around. Most thieves are heterosexuals. Now as to the issue of the Tor exit node. The fact that this instance deals with child pornography is entirely irrelevant. It may as well have been illegal medicine sales, exchanging stolen information or other illegal activities.
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- vy8vWJlco 14y ago
  "Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde Coincidentally, most of opinions here are being expressed with the help of the (optional) pseudo-anonymity allowed by Hacker News. Few would be willing to have such discussions with the same level of honesty offline or on Facebook given the public's level of hysteria. It would put a person in real physical danger.
btilly 14y ago
You clearly did not read the end where I made it very, very clear what my opinion is on prosecuting child pornography. And why. Hint: it isn't what you think it is. I should also note that I have personal reasons for having investigated this topic. Details are private. But I would be moderately surprised if you, for all your righteous outrage, have as much relevant background on this topic...
- ahelwer 14y ago
  I'm sorry, I can't get past you comparing pedophilia to the gay or trans* experience. That's just despicable.
  - btilly 14y ago
    It is very easy to label something as despicable, and then refuse to think about it. It doesn't make that thing wrong. A sexual orientation is simply, "This pattern sets off the circuits in my brain telling me to get turned on." You can have an orientation that results in normal heterosexual relationships. You can have one that results in unusual relationships that harm nobody. You can have one that results in a desire to do very, very bad things. The outcomes of those orientations are very different. But, fundamentally, they are similar feedback loops. And therefore our expectations for what causes them, and how difficult they are to change, should be similar.
    - ahelwer 14y ago
      People who want to rape children are not the victimized group here. Get help.
      - btilly 14y ago
        It would help if you started responding to what was actually said, and not what you think was said. The two bear only a distant relation, and all the parts you're objecting to only were said in your imagination. Before disagreeing, review my words and find where I've said anything indicating that I consider pedophiles a "victimized group". Please don't miss the part where I said that I personally am OK with criminalizing child porn because most of the people you find consuming that material are likely to be pedophiles, who probably have offended.
flyinRyan 14y ago
You don't seem emotionally mature enough to discuss this subject. I personally view pedophilia as a mental disease, but beating the shit out of them or burning them on the steak isn't going to fix anything. If people didn't react like you do when it comes to pedophilia maybe we'd have an easier time working with them to isolate what goes wrong to create this and begin to work on a fix.

by ahelwer 14y ago

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marvin 14y ago

This type of discourse isn't welcome in this community. Please be civil. http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Confusion 14y ago

Hey, look how you seem incapable of arguing politely and convincingly, just because the issue is child pornography. Pedosexual acts are forbidden because there is no possibility of free, informed, consent. There is an asymmetric power relationship between an adult and a child that the adult is probably not aware of. For this reason, and this reason alone, pedosexual acts are forbidden. It's entirely reasonable to believe an adult and a child could have a healthy sexual relationship and some people will testify they had such relationships as children. The crucial point is that it is never possible to ascertain this was actually the case and is ever actually the case. If you are a pedophile in a sexual relationship with a child, it is entirely unreasonable to believe your relationship is a healthy one. To be on the safe side and because we cannot possibly differentiate, there is a blanket ban on such relationships. Pedophilia is not forbidden. Like homosexuality, it is a minority sexual preference. However, unlike in the case of homosexuality, society is unlikely to ever allow relationships in which the physical acts to which this preference leads can have a place. As such pedophiles need to learn to ignore their feelings. They need help in doing that and we should support every single one that acknowledges his problem and seeks help. Pedophiles are not people that abuse children. People that abuse children are criminals. Usually they are also pedophiles, but that doesn't mean you may interpret it the other way around. Most thieves are heterosexuals. Now as to the issue of the Tor exit node. The fact that this instance deals with child pornography is entirely irrelevant. It may as well have been illegal medicine sales, exchanging stolen information or other illegal activities.

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vy8vWJlco 14y ago
"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth." - Oscar Wilde Coincidentally, most of opinions here are being expressed with the help of the (optional) pseudo-anonymity allowed by Hacker News. Few would be willing to have such discussions with the same level of honesty offline or on Facebook given the public's level of hysteria. It would put a person in real physical danger.

btilly 14y ago

You clearly did not read the end where I made it very, very clear what my opinion is on prosecuting child pornography. And why. Hint: it isn't what you think it is. I should also note that I have personal reasons for having investigated this topic. Details are private. But I would be moderately surprised if you, for all your righteous outrage, have as much relevant background on this topic...

ahelwer 14y ago
I'm sorry, I can't get past you comparing pedophilia to the gay or trans* experience. That's just despicable.
- btilly 14y ago
  It is very easy to label something as despicable, and then refuse to think about it. It doesn't make that thing wrong. A sexual orientation is simply, "This pattern sets off the circuits in my brain telling me to get turned on." You can have an orientation that results in normal heterosexual relationships. You can have one that results in unusual relationships that harm nobody. You can have one that results in a desire to do very, very bad things. The outcomes of those orientations are very different. But, fundamentally, they are similar feedback loops. And therefore our expectations for what causes them, and how difficult they are to change, should be similar.
  - ahelwer 14y ago
    People who want to rape children are not the victimized group here. Get help.
    - btilly 14y ago
      It would help if you started responding to what was actually said, and not what you think was said. The two bear only a distant relation, and all the parts you're objecting to only were said in your imagination. Before disagreeing, review my words and find where I've said anything indicating that I consider pedophiles a "victimized group". Please don't miss the part where I said that I personally am OK with criminalizing child porn because most of the people you find consuming that material are likely to be pedophiles, who probably have offended.

flyinRyan 14y ago

You don't seem emotionally mature enough to discuss this subject. I personally view pedophilia as a mental disease, but beating the shit out of them or burning them on the steak isn't going to fix anything. If people didn't react like you do when it comes to pedophilia maybe we'd have an easier time working with them to isolate what goes wrong to create this and begin to work on a fix.