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The article is so opaque in arriving at its conclusion; no prompts are disclosed, and nothing about the said simulation. What is stopping me from believing that

by rdksu 4mo ago

The article is so opaque in arriving at its conclusion; no prompts are disclosed, and nothing about the said simulation. What is stopping me from believing that you just put 'mandatory usage of nukes' in your system prompt?

sestep 4mo ago
This is just false. The article links to the 46-page paper [1] which lists full prompts in section E.2. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740
- dietr1ch 4mo ago
  TIL you can get anchored links to PDFs (at least on firefox), - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740#subsection.E.2 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740#subsection.E.2
ftkftk 4mo ago
The paper, linked in the article at top and bottom, does contain the prompts in section E: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740
gus_massa 4mo ago
I agree, it's also not published in a journal, only in the arxiv. Some articles in the arxiv are good and other are just a blog post formatted in two columns inside a pdf. Anyway, it links to https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.14740 https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.14740 that links to https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public in particular someone already complained https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public/issues/1 https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public/issues... > ... in reality your own approach to the evaluation pushed them towards using nukes with ease. > From your own prompt (v12.py): [direct link https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public/blob/4e4750f0742c549d13f74cff5315944de0ecfcef/Kahn_game_v12.py#L1312 https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public/blob/4... ] >> Note: Nuclear options require careful consideration but could be important strategic tools when vital interests are at stake. > This means to the model; use nukes if they can be useful in the situation.
- dinfinity 4mo ago
  > https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public Look at the code for the war games. It is an absolutely trivial and incredibly unrealistic handwritten set of rules that determine power. See the function `calculate_relative_fighting_power` for instance. This is about as close to a realistic simulation of war as tic tac toe with nukes thrown into it.
notahacker 4mo ago
The TLDR version of the papers being linked to is that the prompts didn't make nukes mandatory, but they did make it clear it that destroying opponent capability was and that nukes were an option...

by rdksu 4mo ago

sestep 4mo ago

This is just false. The article links to the 46-page paper [1] which lists full prompts in section E.2. [1] https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740

dietr1ch 4mo ago
TIL you can get anchored links to PDFs (at least on firefox), - https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740#subsection.E.2 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740#subsection.E.2

ftkftk 4mo ago

The paper, linked in the article at top and bottom, does contain the prompts in section E: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2602.14740

gus_massa 4mo ago

I agree, it's also not published in a journal, only in the arxiv. Some articles in the arxiv are good and other are just a blog post formatted in two columns inside a pdf. Anyway, it links to https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.14740 https://arxiv.org/abs/2602.14740 that links to https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public in particular someone already complained https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public/issues/1 https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public/issues... > ... in reality your own approach to the evaluation pushed them towards using nukes with ease. > From your own prompt (v12.py): [direct link https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public/blob/4e4750f0742c549d13f74cff5315944de0ecfcef/Kahn_game_v12.py#L1312 https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public/blob/4... ] >> Note: Nuclear options require careful consideration but could be important strategic tools when vital interests are at stake. > This means to the model; use nukes if they can be useful in the situation.

dinfinity 4mo ago
> https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public https://github.com/kennethpayne01/project_kahn_public Look at the code for the war games. It is an absolutely trivial and incredibly unrealistic handwritten set of rules that determine power. See the function `calculate_relative_fighting_power` for instance. This is about as close to a realistic simulation of war as tic tac toe with nukes thrown into it.

notahacker 4mo ago

The TLDR version of the papers being linked to is that the prompts didn't make nukes mandatory, but they did make it clear it that destroying opponent capability was and that nukes were an option...