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The Liberals have been elected 4 times in a row. They don't even hide the fact they're hostile to the needs and cares of Canadian citizens since we're the idio

The Liberals have been elected 4 times in a row. They don't even hide the fact they're hostile to the needs and cares of Canadian citizens since we're the idiots who keep electing them. CBC pushes some propaganda about how this'll protect the kids, some brain-dead liberals will keep repeating it, Canada will just continue its path to irrelevancy...

cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.
- alexandre_m 5mo ago
  > You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? That is not true at all. https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surveillance/ https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surve...
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    Fair enough, this was not the case when I looked last week. They were "concerned" but had not posted anything in opposition. And when I looked this morning all I found was they'd asked it to be split into two bills. Implying they want to support some but not all. Which is worrisome. EDIT: wait, the thing linked here by you only says they want to amend it. That's a far cry from killing the bill. So, no, they're not opposed. The want to split and amend it.
    - alexandre_m 4mo ago
      Conservatives are against the whole surveillance on citizens aspect, that is the "Supporting Authorized Access to Information Act" part of this bill about electronic devices and service providers, the core controversial issue of this discussion, which they want removed. Conservatives have been very critical about it since the beginning. You can find plenty of sources where they discuss this.
- EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
  Both the conservatives and the NDP have been fighting against Bill C-22.
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    Conservatives want it amended. NDP wants it killed.
  - mhurron 4mo ago
    And how much of the conservatives issue with it are because the Liberal party put it forward. They have absolutely been bringing similar bills when they have control of the government.
  - 0x696C6961 4mo ago
    That's how it's always gone. The people in power push it and the opposition fights it "for the people".
- dismalaf 4mo ago
  This has nothing to do with partisan politics. If you elect a party 4 times in a row, they rightfully won't care about your opinions. Holding parties responsible for their decisions and NOT making it partisan ensures both parties better align with what voters want. Electing the Liberals forever because "the Cons are evil" or whatever just means we'll turn into a Liberal dictatorship.
rhines 4mo ago
The system is pretty fucked. You have the liberals (who are conservatives), the conservatives (who are increasingly taking inspiration from America but have always been even further right than the liberals), and the NDP who are unfortunately now rather irrelevant and also have a tendency to focus too much on identity politics. If Trudeau had actually pushed for election reform like he'd promised to, maybe we'd be in a better place. But people forgave him for that because he made weed legal...

cmrdporcupine 5mo ago

You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.

alexandre_m 5mo ago
> You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? That is not true at all. https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surveillance/ https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surve...
- cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
  Fair enough, this was not the case when I looked last week. They were "concerned" but had not posted anything in opposition. And when I looked this morning all I found was they'd asked it to be split into two bills. Implying they want to support some but not all. Which is worrisome. EDIT: wait, the thing linked here by you only says they want to amend it. That's a far cry from killing the bill. So, no, they're not opposed. The want to split and amend it.
  - alexandre_m 4mo ago
    Conservatives are against the whole surveillance on citizens aspect, that is the "Supporting Authorized Access to Information Act" part of this bill about electronic devices and service providers, the core controversial issue of this discussion, which they want removed. Conservatives have been very critical about it since the beginning. You can find plenty of sources where they discuss this.
EmbarrassedHelp 5mo ago
Both the conservatives and the NDP have been fighting against Bill C-22.
- cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
  Conservatives want it amended. NDP wants it killed.
- mhurron 4mo ago
  And how much of the conservatives issue with it are because the Liberal party put it forward. They have absolutely been bringing similar bills when they have control of the government.
- 0x696C6961 4mo ago
  That's how it's always gone. The people in power push it and the opposition fights it "for the people".
dismalaf 4mo ago
This has nothing to do with partisan politics. If you elect a party 4 times in a row, they rightfully won't care about your opinions. Holding parties responsible for their decisions and NOT making it partisan ensures both parties better align with what voters want. Electing the Liberals forever because "the Cons are evil" or whatever just means we'll turn into a Liberal dictatorship.

rhines 4mo ago

The system is pretty fucked. You have the liberals (who are conservatives), the conservatives (who are increasingly taking inspiration from America but have always been even further right than the liberals), and the NDP who are unfortunately now rather irrelevant and also have a tendency to focus too much on identity politics. If Trudeau had actually pushed for election reform like he'd promised to, maybe we'd be in a better place. But people forgave him for that because he made weed legal...