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>As long as Codex remains so affordable and useful they do not have to slash prices, just keep Codex usable. I imagine they track usage and can see whether the

by sigmar 4mo ago

>As long as Codex remains so affordable and useful they do not have to slash prices, just keep Codex usable. I imagine they track usage and can see whether their habitual users are switching to something else and aren't going to slash prices 'for the hell of it'. just look at public stats on openrouter (obviously not indicative of first party app usage or direct api usage, but there's a huge difference between these graphs): https://openrouter.ai/openai https://openrouter.ai/openai https://openrouter.ai/anthropic https://openrouter.ai/anthropic

jonfw 4mo ago
One token of GPT seems to go farther than an opus token in my experience, those books are a little cooked
emodendroket 4mo ago
It sounds like the problem is signing customers in the first place.
Sammi 4mo ago
Oh wow deepseek is on par in usage with anthropic: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek https://openrouter.ai/deepseek Deepseek has been on a growth spurt recently. Openai is at half and looks almost flat in comparison to anthropic and deepseek.
- the_lucifer 4mo ago
  Is it that surprising given Deepseek is great enough for most use cases (like implementation) and prices are off by an order of magnitude? DeepSeek: DeepSeek V4 Flash $0.098/$0.196 DeepSeek: DeepSeek V4 Pro $0.435/$0.87 v/s Anthropic: Claude Haiku $1/$5 Anthropic: Claude Sonnet $3/$15 Anthropic: Claude Opus $5/$25 Many people (me included) sometimes use Opus-class models to plan then swap to Deepseek and/or local models for implementation. The real AI war is in the pricing/performance ratio, and it doesn't look like any of the US-based models are winning on that front.
  - rurban 4mo ago
    I can use DeepSeek in 80% of my tasks. Let's see how the latest kimi 2.7 helps, because this is even cheaper than deepseek, and supposedly even better. So far it's not worse.
  - Sammi 4mo ago
    Just because I don't personally know anyone using deepseek. I'm in northern europe. I can imagine there's a big huge chunk of the world that is priced out of using openai or anthropic, and I'm blind to it because of where I am.

by sigmar 4mo ago

jonfw 4mo ago

One token of GPT seems to go farther than an opus token in my experience, those books are a little cooked

emodendroket 4mo ago

It sounds like the problem is signing customers in the first place.

Sammi 4mo ago

Oh wow deepseek is on par in usage with anthropic: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek https://openrouter.ai/deepseek Deepseek has been on a growth spurt recently. Openai is at half and looks almost flat in comparison to anthropic and deepseek.

the_lucifer 4mo ago
Is it that surprising given Deepseek is great enough for most use cases (like implementation) and prices are off by an order of magnitude? DeepSeek: DeepSeek V4 Flash $0.098/$0.196 DeepSeek: DeepSeek V4 Pro $0.435/$0.87 v/s Anthropic: Claude Haiku $1/$5 Anthropic: Claude Sonnet $3/$15 Anthropic: Claude Opus $5/$25 Many people (me included) sometimes use Opus-class models to plan then swap to Deepseek and/or local models for implementation. The real AI war is in the pricing/performance ratio, and it doesn't look like any of the US-based models are winning on that front.
- rurban 4mo ago
  I can use DeepSeek in 80% of my tasks. Let's see how the latest kimi 2.7 helps, because this is even cheaper than deepseek, and supposedly even better. So far it's not worse.
- Sammi 4mo ago
  Just because I don't personally know anyone using deepseek. I'm in northern europe. I can imagine there's a big huge chunk of the world that is priced out of using openai or anthropic, and I'm blind to it because of where I am.