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There is not enough noise about this bill. It's horrific. If you're Canadian, call your MP and raise a stink. The Liberals need to be shown quite explicitly by

There is not enough noise about this bill. It's horrific. If you're Canadian, call your MP and raise a stink. The Liberals need to be shown quite explicitly by people in our profession how this will harm our industry, in addition to harming the privacy rights of our citizens; and it seems like conservatives are not planning on opposing this bill (just want it split in half) and the NDP is the only party raising real opposition?!

Fogest 5mo ago
Sadly spying on citizens is pretty bipartisan for most governments around the world. It seems hard to actually stop this kind of stuff. I've signed this petition which I'm sure will do absolutely nothing, but it feels like there isn't much else I can do. I didn't even get a confirmation email with the link I need to click after signing this petition, so I guess my signature is null and void. I've lost faith in our government doing anything to benefit the people.
- roter 5mo ago
  The confirmation email takes a few minutes.
  - Fogest 5mo ago
    Yeah it's already been 10 minutes, but they likely got their email server on some hamster somewhere, so I probably just gotta wait longer for it.
    - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
      I had it take that long before for petitions I've signed. It will come.
      - Fogest 5mo ago
        Good to know, as past ones I've signed only have taken a couple minutes. Worst case I'm keeping the petition opened and will sign up again tonight. I'll probably also throw a little message together as well to send to my MP tonight. I feel like that's about all I can do to make my voice heard about these matters.
    - kps 5mo ago
      I got it in seconds, now.
- HerbManic 5mo ago
  I mean Canada is a part of the 'Five eyes' surveillance alliance since the 1950's. This is nothing new but it does keep escalating. It was Terrance McKenna who said that the worst government is usually the one that is in charge, that is because they rarely tend to go back on what was put down before them. One could argue that in the US Trump is tearing down previous government work but also isn't doing it in a constructive fashion at all. I pushed back on all these kinds of Bills and laws here in Australia and every time it was usually just met with the same boiler plate response of "We are enacting this at the advice of insert agency/person here." I still do it but it sort of just feels like leaving a note to future generations that we at least tried to stop it.
alephnerd 5mo ago
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- int_19h 5mo ago
  > but even in the US you "cannot yet fire in a crowded theatre". You should look up the origin of that phrase...
- cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
  Two things can be true at the same time. That you're right about "Freedom" Convoy (and "Alberta" seppies) etc. And that this a bad and harmful bill. Given CSIS has plenty of powers already and hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups, I don't see why I would trust them with my or my family's chat histories or why I should have to live without Signal or ProtonMail, etc. as product offerings in my country.
  - alephnerd 5mo ago
    > Given CSIS has plenty of powers already... > hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups... They don't. They are one of the weaker intel agencies amongst the five eyes (NZ is weakest) due to overlapping responsibilities and jurisdictions with the RCMP and Provincial law enforcement. And there are active issues with certain provincial LE agencies and foreign interference.
  - hodder 5mo ago
    Voting for separation (as oppose to actually separating) is absolutely in the best interest of most Albertans.
    - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
      Oh. I see. Now I regret engaging with you at all on the other comment. My SIN begins with a 6 and my whole family is still there, and you're wrong as hell, and the majority of Albertans agree with me and Smith would never have been elected if she'd run on this.
dismalaf 5mo ago
The Liberals have been elected 4 times in a row. They don't even hide the fact they're hostile to the needs and cares of Canadian citizens since we're the idiots who keep electing them. CBC pushes some propaganda about how this'll protect the kids, some brain-dead liberals will keep repeating it, Canada will just continue its path to irrelevancy...
- cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
  You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.
  - alexandre_m 5mo ago
    > You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? That is not true at all. https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surveillance/ https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surve...
    - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
      Fair enough, this was not the case when I looked last week. They were "concerned" but had not posted anything in opposition. And when I looked this morning all I found was they'd asked it to be split into two bills. Implying they want to support some but not all. Which is worrisome. EDIT: wait, the thing linked here by you only says they want to amend it. That's a far cry from killing the bill. So, no, they're not opposed. The want to split and amend it.
      - alexandre_m 5mo ago
        Conservatives are against the whole surveillance on citizens aspect, that is the "Supporting Authorized Access to Information Act" part of this bill about electronic devices and service providers, the core controversial issue of this discussion, which they want removed. Conservatives have been very critical about it since the beginning. You can find plenty of sources where they discuss this.

Fogest 5mo ago

Sadly spying on citizens is pretty bipartisan for most governments around the world. It seems hard to actually stop this kind of stuff. I've signed this petition which I'm sure will do absolutely nothing, but it feels like there isn't much else I can do. I didn't even get a confirmation email with the link I need to click after signing this petition, so I guess my signature is null and void. I've lost faith in our government doing anything to benefit the people.

roter 5mo ago
The confirmation email takes a few minutes.
- Fogest 5mo ago
  Yeah it's already been 10 minutes, but they likely got their email server on some hamster somewhere, so I probably just gotta wait longer for it.
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    I had it take that long before for petitions I've signed. It will come.
    - Fogest 5mo ago
      Good to know, as past ones I've signed only have taken a couple minutes. Worst case I'm keeping the petition opened and will sign up again tonight. I'll probably also throw a little message together as well to send to my MP tonight. I feel like that's about all I can do to make my voice heard about these matters.
  - kps 5mo ago
    I got it in seconds, now.
HerbManic 5mo ago
I mean Canada is a part of the 'Five eyes' surveillance alliance since the 1950's. This is nothing new but it does keep escalating. It was Terrance McKenna who said that the worst government is usually the one that is in charge, that is because they rarely tend to go back on what was put down before them. One could argue that in the US Trump is tearing down previous government work but also isn't doing it in a constructive fashion at all. I pushed back on all these kinds of Bills and laws here in Australia and every time it was usually just met with the same boiler plate response of "We are enacting this at the advice of insert agency/person here." I still do it but it sort of just feels like leaving a note to future generations that we at least tried to stop it.

alephnerd 5mo ago

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int_19h 5mo ago
> but even in the US you "cannot yet fire in a crowded theatre". You should look up the origin of that phrase...
cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
Two things can be true at the same time. That you're right about "Freedom" Convoy (and "Alberta" seppies) etc. And that this a bad and harmful bill. Given CSIS has plenty of powers already and hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups, I don't see why I would trust them with my or my family's chat histories or why I should have to live without Signal or ProtonMail, etc. as product offerings in my country.
- alephnerd 5mo ago
  > Given CSIS has plenty of powers already... > hasn't done anything to deal with the actions far right American (and domestic) groups... They don't. They are one of the weaker intel agencies amongst the five eyes (NZ is weakest) due to overlapping responsibilities and jurisdictions with the RCMP and Provincial law enforcement. And there are active issues with certain provincial LE agencies and foreign interference.
- hodder 5mo ago
  Voting for separation (as oppose to actually separating) is absolutely in the best interest of most Albertans.
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    Oh. I see. Now I regret engaging with you at all on the other comment. My SIN begins with a 6 and my whole family is still there, and you're wrong as hell, and the majority of Albertans agree with me and Smith would never have been elected if she'd run on this.

dismalaf 5mo ago

The Liberals have been elected 4 times in a row. They don't even hide the fact they're hostile to the needs and cares of Canadian citizens since we're the idiots who keep electing them. CBC pushes some propaganda about how this'll protect the kids, some brain-dead liberals will keep repeating it, Canada will just continue its path to irrelevancy...

cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? And when Harper was in power they were trying to push something similar? And that the petition linked here is an NDP petition? Partisan grandstanding won't fix the issue. A mobilized public will.
- alexandre_m 5mo ago
  > You know the conservatives are supporting this bill as well... right? That is not true at all. https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surveillance/ https://www.conservative.ca/cpc/stop-online-government-surve...
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    Fair enough, this was not the case when I looked last week. They were "concerned" but had not posted anything in opposition. And when I looked this morning all I found was they'd asked it to be split into two bills. Implying they want to support some but not all. Which is worrisome. EDIT: wait, the thing linked here by you only says they want to amend it. That's a far cry from killing the bill. So, no, they're not opposed. The want to split and amend it.
    - alexandre_m 5mo ago
      Conservatives are against the whole surveillance on citizens aspect, that is the "Supporting Authorized Access to Information Act" part of this bill about electronic devices and service providers, the core controversial issue of this discussion, which they want removed. Conservatives have been very critical about it since the beginning. You can find plenty of sources where they discuss this.