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I'm sorry, but this is borderline silly. Fable has been out for less than a week and you're already making grand pronouncements about its superiority? How muc

I'm sorry, but this is borderline silly. Fable has been out for less than a week and you're already making grand pronouncements about its superiority? How much first-hand evidence could you possibly have for that claim?

handfuloflight 4mo ago
If he is already enjoying what he claims with pre-Fable models, then it stands to reason Fable is already above that baseline, and therefore your nitpick is silly.
- jdauriemma 4mo ago
  That both fair and also charitable to the commenter. It's not a given that Fable is "above that baseline," all we can go by is anecdotes and Anthropic's marketing materials. Both tend to be puffed up. And if they're speaking generally about LLM-assisted coding, they could have chosen to say it that way.
  - aenis 4mo ago
    You sometimes meet someone and hit it off immediately. A fellow engineer, hobbyist, anyone. That is my experience after working with Fable since it launched and barely sleeping. I never had more nuanced, interesting and fruitful design discussions in my life. And I've been programming across the entire stack, from transistors to enterprise architecture, and spent 40 years around computers. Love is love, it does not need to be well researched and may well be misplaced :-)
    - jdauriemma 4mo ago
      I say the following with sincere concern. AI is a cool technology but anthropomorphizing it and using the L-word to describe your relationship with it is a symptom of AI psychosis. Respectfully, I suggest that you take a break and touch grass.
      - aenis 4mo ago
        Well, in my 47 years on this planed I loved various inanimate objects. Bikes, cars, computers. I'll be fine with my recent infatuation, thanks.
wrenky 4mo ago
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aenis 4mo ago
Fable caught us in the middle of a crisis where we had to replace a supplier with a quickly-put-together home made solution. We have been working with it non stop since it launched. And thanks to a lot of baseline experience with previous models, our small band of relatively old hands decided we are badly in love with it. Now, remind yourself when was the last time you had to work with a developer who went to CS because it pays well, and has zero enthusiasm for what they are building, and are just phoning it in, with minimum effort and low skills. AI models are coming for those people first. And those people are in the fricking millions. Strip IT teams to people with passion either for product or for tech, give them such tools, and watch. Compare this with a normal IT shop with a bunch of great people, a metric ton of average people, a few toxic imbecilles, and the necessary HR/management bureaucracy to keep that bunch on a leash.
- jdauriemma 4mo ago
  I'm happy for you; clearly you've had a good experience.
- loki-ai 4mo ago
  that's what I'm seeing it across other teams as well: backlogs size barely smaller and even defects rising. the low performers have only gotten lazier. the difference now is that people are starting to openly question the extreme productivity gaps and their usual excuses aren't working anymore. AI doesn't need to replace everyone. just dropping the bottom 1 or 2 people per team would already be catastrophic for the field
tossandthrow 4mo ago
Replace Fable with Opus 4.8, 4.7, or 4.6 - and it is still true

handfuloflight 4mo ago

If he is already enjoying what he claims with pre-Fable models, then it stands to reason Fable is already above that baseline, and therefore your nitpick is silly.

jdauriemma 4mo ago
That both fair and also charitable to the commenter. It's not a given that Fable is "above that baseline," all we can go by is anecdotes and Anthropic's marketing materials. Both tend to be puffed up. And if they're speaking generally about LLM-assisted coding, they could have chosen to say it that way.
- aenis 4mo ago
  You sometimes meet someone and hit it off immediately. A fellow engineer, hobbyist, anyone. That is my experience after working with Fable since it launched and barely sleeping. I never had more nuanced, interesting and fruitful design discussions in my life. And I've been programming across the entire stack, from transistors to enterprise architecture, and spent 40 years around computers. Love is love, it does not need to be well researched and may well be misplaced :-)
  - jdauriemma 4mo ago
    I say the following with sincere concern. AI is a cool technology but anthropomorphizing it and using the L-word to describe your relationship with it is a symptom of AI psychosis. Respectfully, I suggest that you take a break and touch grass.
    - aenis 4mo ago
      Well, in my 47 years on this planed I loved various inanimate objects. Bikes, cars, computers. I'll be fine with my recent infatuation, thanks.

wrenky 4mo ago

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aenis 4mo ago

Fable caught us in the middle of a crisis where we had to replace a supplier with a quickly-put-together home made solution. We have been working with it non stop since it launched. And thanks to a lot of baseline experience with previous models, our small band of relatively old hands decided we are badly in love with it. Now, remind yourself when was the last time you had to work with a developer who went to CS because it pays well, and has zero enthusiasm for what they are building, and are just phoning it in, with minimum effort and low skills. AI models are coming for those people first. And those people are in the fricking millions. Strip IT teams to people with passion either for product or for tech, give them such tools, and watch. Compare this with a normal IT shop with a bunch of great people, a metric ton of average people, a few toxic imbecilles, and the necessary HR/management bureaucracy to keep that bunch on a leash.

jdauriemma 4mo ago
I'm happy for you; clearly you've had a good experience.
loki-ai 4mo ago
that's what I'm seeing it across other teams as well: backlogs size barely smaller and even defects rising. the low performers have only gotten lazier. the difference now is that people are starting to openly question the extreme productivity gaps and their usual excuses aren't working anymore. AI doesn't need to replace everyone. just dropping the bottom 1 or 2 people per team would already be catastrophic for the field

tossandthrow 4mo ago

Replace Fable with Opus 4.8, 4.7, or 4.6 - and it is still true