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Huh, I'm definitely not going “all conspiracy theory” on you. And by you I guess I mean Microsoft? The perception from the outside, or let say, my perception,

by jbevain 14y ago

Huh, I'm definitely not going “all conspiracy theory” on you. And by you I guess I mean Microsoft? The perception from the outside, or let say, my perception, is that both .net and C# along (C# being the flagship language for the platform) don't have the same place in Microsoft's strategy than they had say 4 years ago. Eric being one more visible .net profile leaving Microsoft, I'm just saying it's interesting to wonder if that's related.

Locke1689 14y ago
...I'm not saying that we didn't land on the moon, I'm just saying it's interesting to wonder if it really happened. But you're absolutely right -- I'm glad I know now that I'm working on a new C# compiler for a dead language that no one uses. Oh, and by "us" I meant HN. If you haven't noticed, I've been part of this community for quite a while. Edit: This comment is maybe snarkier then I meant it. Add an eye roll or two and you'll get the gist.
- mpyne 14y ago
  No offense but you're reading waaay more into it than what they wrote. "Difference in strategic position" doesn't equate to "dead language that no one uses" and a question into the departure of a high-profile MS exec doesn't rise to the level of moon landing lunacy. Unless you have some sort of inside knowledge about what the parent comment to yours actually meant I can only assume that this discussion in general is hitting too close to home for complete objectivity on your part. I also don't think that being signed up for a site for a longer duration of time inherently gives you any right to speak for the entire site, even in a conversation with one of relatively less "seniority" on the site (whatever that even means). It's nice that you clarified what you meant by "us" but that wasn't being debated and it didn't add to any points you've made.
  - ericlippert 14y ago
    I am neither high-profile nor an executive.
    - mythz 14y ago
      .NET Champion perhaps? :)
    - ryanmolden 14y ago
      You're definitely high-profile amongst the engineer grunts and on various internal mailing lists. I don't know if that wins you any private soirées with Soma or not, but it's something :)
    - sageikosa 14y ago
      I've heard of you, and I'm usually the last to the party.
    - mpyne 14y ago
      Much like the other commenters have mentioned, you're "high profile" if only because I've actually heard of you and read your writings with interest before (via the same means legions of other developers will have done so). I'll remove "exec" if I still have Edit perms though, apologies.
    - RyJones 14y ago
      You're a fucking hero to some of us.
- pyre 14y ago
  > ...I'm not saying that we didn't land on the moon, > I'm just saying it's interesting to wonder if it > really happened. I don't think that conflating speculation with conspiracy theories is necessarily productive. It's not like Microsoft doesn't have a track record of abandoning partners in the past[1] (e.g. Plays 4 Sure). > If you haven't noticed, I've been part of this > community for quite a while. I'm not sure that 'pulling rank' is necessarily constructive either. It just reminds me of those Slashdot threads where people with increasing smaller UIDs would reply with, "You must be new here," or "get off my lawn." [1] Though I agree that completely abandoning C# would be suicide in the enterprise market.
  - Locke1689 14y ago
    I don't think that conflating speculation with conspiracy theories is necessarily productive. It's not like Microsoft doesn't have a track record of abandoning partners in the past[1] (e.g. Plays 4 Sure). Conspiracy theories are just speculation too. One could argue that the US government has a history of all kinds of activities and thus many of the current conspiracies are in keeping with history. The essence of a conspiracy theory is speculation not grounded in evidence or probability. I'm not sure that 'pulling rank' is necessarily constructive either. It just reminds me of those Slashdot threads where people with increasing smaller UIDs would reply with, "You must be new here," or "get off my lawn." My comment was directed quite clearly at the insinuation that I was speaking on behalf of Microsoft, which I do not do. I may have been snarky, but only because I see this quite a lot on HN -- that people are the company they work for. We're just members of this community like any other.
    - ryanmolden 14y ago
      This. It is unbelievable the number of times where people will say something like "I understand why you feel that way..." (if I am say arguing in favor of some MS product/decision) as if, because I work for Microsoft, I must be some non-thinking shill or purveyor of FUD. It is unfortunate because it prevents me from even wanting to participate in any conversation here involving any tech company because everything I say is apparently interpreted through the lens of my employer, because clearly people are that one-dimensional :)
j_s 14y ago
The only consistency in Microsoft's strategy for developer tools is constant change.

by jbevain 14y ago

Locke1689 14y ago

...I'm not saying that we didn't land on the moon, I'm just saying it's interesting to wonder if it really happened. But you're absolutely right -- I'm glad I know now that I'm working on a new C# compiler for a dead language that no one uses. Oh, and by "us" I meant HN. If you haven't noticed, I've been part of this community for quite a while. Edit: This comment is maybe snarkier then I meant it. Add an eye roll or two and you'll get the gist.

mpyne 14y ago
No offense but you're reading waaay more into it than what they wrote. "Difference in strategic position" doesn't equate to "dead language that no one uses" and a question into the departure of a high-profile MS exec doesn't rise to the level of moon landing lunacy. Unless you have some sort of inside knowledge about what the parent comment to yours actually meant I can only assume that this discussion in general is hitting too close to home for complete objectivity on your part. I also don't think that being signed up for a site for a longer duration of time inherently gives you any right to speak for the entire site, even in a conversation with one of relatively less "seniority" on the site (whatever that even means). It's nice that you clarified what you meant by "us" but that wasn't being debated and it didn't add to any points you've made.
- ericlippert 14y ago
  I am neither high-profile nor an executive.
  - mythz 14y ago
    .NET Champion perhaps? :)
  - ryanmolden 14y ago
    You're definitely high-profile amongst the engineer grunts and on various internal mailing lists. I don't know if that wins you any private soirées with Soma or not, but it's something :)
  - sageikosa 14y ago
    I've heard of you, and I'm usually the last to the party.
  - mpyne 14y ago
    Much like the other commenters have mentioned, you're "high profile" if only because I've actually heard of you and read your writings with interest before (via the same means legions of other developers will have done so). I'll remove "exec" if I still have Edit perms though, apologies.
  - RyJones 14y ago
    You're a fucking hero to some of us.
pyre 14y ago
> ...I'm not saying that we didn't land on the moon, > I'm just saying it's interesting to wonder if it > really happened. I don't think that conflating speculation with conspiracy theories is necessarily productive. It's not like Microsoft doesn't have a track record of abandoning partners in the past[1] (e.g. Plays 4 Sure). > If you haven't noticed, I've been part of this > community for quite a while. I'm not sure that 'pulling rank' is necessarily constructive either. It just reminds me of those Slashdot threads where people with increasing smaller UIDs would reply with, "You must be new here," or "get off my lawn." [1] Though I agree that completely abandoning C# would be suicide in the enterprise market.
- Locke1689 14y ago
  I don't think that conflating speculation with conspiracy theories is necessarily productive. It's not like Microsoft doesn't have a track record of abandoning partners in the past[1] (e.g. Plays 4 Sure). Conspiracy theories are just speculation too. One could argue that the US government has a history of all kinds of activities and thus many of the current conspiracies are in keeping with history. The essence of a conspiracy theory is speculation not grounded in evidence or probability. I'm not sure that 'pulling rank' is necessarily constructive either. It just reminds me of those Slashdot threads where people with increasing smaller UIDs would reply with, "You must be new here," or "get off my lawn." My comment was directed quite clearly at the insinuation that I was speaking on behalf of Microsoft, which I do not do. I may have been snarky, but only because I see this quite a lot on HN -- that people are the company they work for. We're just members of this community like any other.
  - ryanmolden 14y ago
    This. It is unbelievable the number of times where people will say something like "I understand why you feel that way..." (if I am say arguing in favor of some MS product/decision) as if, because I work for Microsoft, I must be some non-thinking shill or purveyor of FUD. It is unfortunate because it prevents me from even wanting to participate in any conversation here involving any tech company because everything I say is apparently interpreted through the lens of my employer, because clearly people are that one-dimensional :)

j_s 14y ago

The only consistency in Microsoft's strategy for developer tools is constant change.