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So I'm in the market, looking for the next season of my favorite show not yet aired here in Finland. Clearly I can't watch it from the TV. Netflix does not offe

by rapala 14y ago

So I'm in the market, looking for the next season of my favorite show not yet aired here in Finland. Clearly I can't watch it from the TV. Netflix does not offer the show in here in Finland. What options do I have? Legitimate content providers have failed in a game called free market. Last time I heard free market was quite popular in the USA.

chimi 14y ago
Do without. Watch something else. Play cards. Go for a walk. Write some code. Start a side project. I don't understand why that's a hard concept to grasp. Really it just sounds kind of pathetic that you can't control yourself enough to simply not sit in a chair or whatever and watch this exact movie.
- Buzaga 14y ago
  Mr Right tell me the secrets of the universe please
- rapala 14y ago
  Do without. Season not sold. Watch something else. Season not sold. Play cards. Season not sold. It's not just about illegal downloading, it's about content providers not even trying to meet temporal demand. By the way, I don't even have a TV. Liked your ad hominem though.
- moistgorilla 14y ago
  This argument is bad. First of all, piracy is not morally wrong, the morals of it are ambiguous, just like everything else. Second of all, it's not JUST ONE EXACT MOVIE. It's a plethora of films and shows and most people enjoy watching them once in a while... Nowadays, we have this thing called the internet where people can send information to others with minimal cost and effort. If a content provider does not wish to make money by conveniently providing me with entertainment I will oblige them by not giving them my money. I will still watch the movies I want to see though. Some of us are pathetic and don't like to wait when there is no reason to.
  - chimi 14y ago
    I think piracy is morally wrong. It's quite simple. Take your argument for pro-piracy to the logical conclusion. Everyone consumes all media through piracy. Does that world look as entertaining as the logical conclusion of people pay money into the system that creates the entertainment? I think it'd be hard to argue that a system where people have to give up time and resources to produce something consumed by those who put nothing back into the system is sustainable. Pirates benefit from the system without contributing to the system. That's morally wrong. I find it hypocritical that the very software systems that enable people to pirate have built in algorithms to limit the activities of those who take more than they share. Those who take but don't give back are called leeches and even the leeches don't like leeches.
    - Ensorceled 14y ago
      Well, let's take pro-copyright to it's obvious solution. You owe a MASSIVE amount of money to the heirs of Shakespeare, anybody of Greek descent, Decartes/Leibniz/Newton, etc. etc. for your early education. Because, if copyright really is a moral right it doesn't expire and you have a lot of back taxes to pay. Cough it up.
  - B-Con 14y ago
    > First of all, piracy is not morally wrong, the morals of it are ambiguous, just like everything else. Not really. The content owners stated that there are certain legal restrictions on their content. If you violate it, then you are expressly violating the owner's will and the law. I have yet to find a moral system that's OK with this outside of "the ends justify the means".
    - ameister14 14y ago
      It depends on where you think ownership comes from. If you use the Lockean concept where use is applied to create ownership, piracy is fine. Put into an analogy, it's like this: you plant an apple tree. You do not eat the apples from this tree, and they fall to the ground in a public space. Walking over, I pick up and eat one of the apples. I have not diminished your utility from the tree as the apple would have spoiled. Did I steal from you? It was originally your use that planted the tree, but you don't currently use all of the apples. You are deprived of nothing, and I am momentarily enriched by the consumption. How is that wrong?

by rapala 14y ago

chimi 14y ago

Do without. Watch something else. Play cards. Go for a walk. Write some code. Start a side project. I don't understand why that's a hard concept to grasp. Really it just sounds kind of pathetic that you can't control yourself enough to simply not sit in a chair or whatever and watch this exact movie.

Buzaga 14y ago
Mr Right tell me the secrets of the universe please
rapala 14y ago
Do without. Season not sold. Watch something else. Season not sold. Play cards. Season not sold. It's not just about illegal downloading, it's about content providers not even trying to meet temporal demand. By the way, I don't even have a TV. Liked your ad hominem though.
moistgorilla 14y ago
This argument is bad. First of all, piracy is not morally wrong, the morals of it are ambiguous, just like everything else. Second of all, it's not JUST ONE EXACT MOVIE. It's a plethora of films and shows and most people enjoy watching them once in a while... Nowadays, we have this thing called the internet where people can send information to others with minimal cost and effort. If a content provider does not wish to make money by conveniently providing me with entertainment I will oblige them by not giving them my money. I will still watch the movies I want to see though. Some of us are pathetic and don't like to wait when there is no reason to.
- chimi 14y ago
  I think piracy is morally wrong. It's quite simple. Take your argument for pro-piracy to the logical conclusion. Everyone consumes all media through piracy. Does that world look as entertaining as the logical conclusion of people pay money into the system that creates the entertainment? I think it'd be hard to argue that a system where people have to give up time and resources to produce something consumed by those who put nothing back into the system is sustainable. Pirates benefit from the system without contributing to the system. That's morally wrong. I find it hypocritical that the very software systems that enable people to pirate have built in algorithms to limit the activities of those who take more than they share. Those who take but don't give back are called leeches and even the leeches don't like leeches.
  - Ensorceled 14y ago
    Well, let's take pro-copyright to it's obvious solution. You owe a MASSIVE amount of money to the heirs of Shakespeare, anybody of Greek descent, Decartes/Leibniz/Newton, etc. etc. for your early education. Because, if copyright really is a moral right it doesn't expire and you have a lot of back taxes to pay. Cough it up.
- B-Con 14y ago
  > First of all, piracy is not morally wrong, the morals of it are ambiguous, just like everything else. Not really. The content owners stated that there are certain legal restrictions on their content. If you violate it, then you are expressly violating the owner's will and the law. I have yet to find a moral system that's OK with this outside of "the ends justify the means".
  - ameister14 14y ago
    It depends on where you think ownership comes from. If you use the Lockean concept where use is applied to create ownership, piracy is fine. Put into an analogy, it's like this: you plant an apple tree. You do not eat the apples from this tree, and they fall to the ground in a public space. Walking over, I pick up and eat one of the apples. I have not diminished your utility from the tree as the apple would have spoiled. Did I steal from you? It was originally your use that planted the tree, but you don't currently use all of the apples. You are deprived of nothing, and I am momentarily enriched by the consumption. How is that wrong?