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America already lost the battle. Multiple administrations on both sides of the aisle have reported China having access to America's lawful intercept wiretap sys

America already lost the battle. Multiple administrations on both sides of the aisle have reported China having access to America's lawful intercept wiretap system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_Typhoon No amount of authoritarian backpedaling will put the genie back in the bottle. They've got blackmail on our politicians, backdoors in our telecoms, and Chinese apps at #1 on the App Store. America is paying for "freedom" through the nose right now, the will to quit using social media and smartphones has to come from within.

zb3 5mo ago
By freedom you mean freedom to invade other countries? Then don't be surprised those other countries fight back.
- yellowapple 5mo ago
  Have we invaded China?
  - selimthegrim 5mo ago
    You might want to read about before WWII
  - leoprctmp 5mo ago
    Eight-Nation Alliance (1900)
tancop 5mo ago
> America is paying for "freedom" through the nose if you ask people on the street i think more than half of them will say they dont care if china gets ahead. even with conservatives who dont like china its more about keeping the american way of life as in "i dont want them to bring communism here", not some global clash of civilizations thing. if they really hated china those apps would never get to #1. its obvious that american citizens want more friendly relations or at least keeping it at the current level instead of tariffs and war mongering. the only ones who really want a cold war is the corrupt national security industrial complex, think palantir and anthropic and lockheed martin. theres a lot of money to be made from selling overpriced missiles to the air force and forcing americans to use bad quality more expensive ai providers after the chinese or eu based get banned for "security" reasons. even the fact that "national security" exists as a concept separate from public security means theres a big misalignment in the system. the purpose of a state is to serve and protect its people, not secure its power or even its own existence. as long as the cia, nsa, ice, dea and all the other agencies are allowed to do influence ops on their own citizens america cant be a true democracy. and the same goes for the uk, china, india, germany, really any country thats big and powerful enough that this kind of corruption can start.

zb3 5mo ago

By freedom you mean freedom to invade other countries? Then don't be surprised those other countries fight back.

yellowapple 5mo ago
Have we invaded China?
- selimthegrim 5mo ago
  You might want to read about before WWII
- leoprctmp 5mo ago
  Eight-Nation Alliance (1900)

tancop 5mo ago

> America is paying for "freedom" through the nose if you ask people on the street i think more than half of them will say they dont care if china gets ahead. even with conservatives who dont like china its more about keeping the american way of life as in "i dont want them to bring communism here", not some global clash of civilizations thing. if they really hated china those apps would never get to #1. its obvious that american citizens want more friendly relations or at least keeping it at the current level instead of tariffs and war mongering. the only ones who really want a cold war is the corrupt national security industrial complex, think palantir and anthropic and lockheed martin. theres a lot of money to be made from selling overpriced missiles to the air force and forcing americans to use bad quality more expensive ai providers after the chinese or eu based get banned for "security" reasons. even the fact that "national security" exists as a concept separate from public security means theres a big misalignment in the system. the purpose of a state is to serve and protect its people, not secure its power or even its own existence. as long as the cia, nsa, ice, dea and all the other agencies are allowed to do influence ops on their own citizens america cant be a true democracy. and the same goes for the uk, china, india, germany, really any country thats big and powerful enough that this kind of corruption can start.