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It is normal, expected, and healthy for stakeholders in a regulatory environment to offer proposals about regulations. What's unhealthy is the proposition that
by tptacek 5mo ago
It is normal, expected, and healthy for stakeholders in a regulatory environment to offer proposals about regulations. What's unhealthy is the proposition that the deliberation process is so fragile that a stakeholder needs to cover every angle, lest they corrupt the outcome.
- ofjcihen 5mo agoWhat you say is true but completely ignores the obvious ways in which what he is proposing benefits his company. Its like saying it’s normal for a taxi driver to drive people places while he’s got you handcuffed in the trunk.
- movealongnow 5mo ago[flagged]
- pseudalopex 5mo agoIt is normal, expected, and healthy to offer criticism of self interested proposals. And mock even. What is unhealthy is to imply someone said what they did not.
- tptacek 5mo agoIf that's what this is, a bank-shot snarky criticism of the proposal, fair enough. I read it instead as a criticism of a stakeholder having the temerity to make a proposal in the first place. It's not their job to anticipate and capture all your objections. That's your job!
- movealongnow 5mo ago[flagged]
- tptacek 5mo agoSorry, audibly chuckling about the idea of software developers who consider themselves "everyday working class people". Keep it coming, Tom Morello.
- lbreakjai 5mo agoBelieve it or not, but not every software developer is making 7 figures annually with a few millions in vested shares. Even within the US.
- tptacek 5mo agoI see, the line between "working class" and "upper class" is $999,999 in total comp.
- lbreakjai 5mo agoThe clue is in the name. Working class doesn't mean you earn more than average and have some savings. You're working class if you live from your work rather than your capital. My household income is in the top 0.7% in the Netherlands, yet I'll never accumulate enough capital to stop working, so I'm working class.
- tptacek 5mo agoYou've axiomatically derived a definition of "working class" that includes software developers in the top 0.7% of regional income. Gorgeous.
- lbreakjai 5mo ago115k€ gross, that gives you about 67k€ net. 5600€ per month. Minus a 2200€ mortgage, 400€ of health insurance, 1200€ of childcare, 200€ for the car repayment and insurance, 200€ for the water/electricity/internet and 800€ of groceries, that leaves me with a whopping 600€ per month. My class interests are infinitely closer to a part-time starbucks barista than they are to a millionaire.
- pseudalopex 5mo agoEveryone holds a stake in this discussion. And intellectual honesty is everyone's obligation.
- tptacek 5mo agoYes, that is a shorter way of saying what I just said.
- pseudalopex 5mo agoAmodei did not fail to anticipate and capture all objections. He dishonestly avoided well known objections. This was what you meant?
- tptacek 5mo agoNo, it is not his job to state all the objections you might have to his proposal! That's your job.
- pseudalopex 5mo ago> all the objections you might have My comment before corrected this straw man clearly.
- Spartan-S63 5mo agoHow is the subject of potential regulation considered a stakeholder?
- akerl_ 5mo agoThey’re the most obvious stakeholder… the regulation is going to directly affect them.
- Spartan-S63 5mo agoNo, the public at large are the stakeholders. The enterprise is the subject of the regulation.
- sdenton4 5mo ago"Stakeholder" literally means someone with a stake in the outcome, which is to say, those who will be affected by the decision. That can include a whole range of people+entities, including citizens (as a group) and the companies to be regulated.
- zoogeny 5mo agoThat's a bit like asking how the defendant in a legal case is an interested party. Even if you think someone is guilty, it does make sense to allow them to at least submit their defense. And if they choose to use that time to advocate for their own promotion, let them.
- snsjsnnddj 5mo ago[dead]