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We're talking about a country where someone had their house raided and their devices stolen by the police for tweeting "Du bist so 1 Pimmel" (you are such a dic

We're talking about a country where someone had their house raided and their devices stolen by the police for tweeting "Du bist so 1 Pimmel" (you are such a dick) to a politician.

luke5441 4mo ago
This was later deemed inappropriate by courts. Shit happens -- as long as the corrective mechanisms work it is just exceptions.
- abustamam 4mo ago
  I'm not super convinced that we can call something like that as "shit happens." in the US "shit" like this happens where cops wrongly raid someone's house and someone often dies because of of this. Though, I think it may be an example of corrective mechanisms not working, but this shouldn't have even happened once.
  - luke5441 4mo ago
    It's not like the raids in the US because there are less guns around. So risk of someone dying because of a house search are pretty low (supported by police death numbers). This would be more about privacy violations and unnecessary chicanery.
    - l23k4 4mo ago
      > It's not like the raids in the US because there are less guns around. As an European, this attitude is absolutely fucking shocking. Police force their way into my home without excellent cause to do so? I'd want someone executed. It would be unforgivable. It has nothing to do with the guns, but with the absolutely gross violation of the most basic rights codified by the ECHR. >This would be more about privacy violations and unnecessary chicanery. Which is actually worse than the typical American shooting. US cops do not typically go to the scene planning to murder someone, in this case the German cops very much knowingly went to harass someone for calling the German interior minister a prick. It is absolutely egregious premeditated harassment. German minister of interior, the guy in charge of the police, sending the cops to harass people for calling him a prick. Even the current US admin is not so thin-skinned.
      - CarlitosHighway 4mo ago
        It would benefit you to read the applicable laws, keyword "Beleidigung".
  - CarlitosHighway 4mo ago
    In Germany, police killing innocent people in house raids is a very rare occurrence, I can't remember a case but of course it's possible that it happened. So maybe Americans should worry about their own business and not tell a country with a much longer history what is best for them?
- Saline9515 4mo ago
  Why is it even allowed to raid someone for victimless crimes? It's a fundamental issue, not just a mistake.
  - luke5441 4mo ago
    Insulting someone is a crime in Germany. We can debate and then change this of course. I wouldn't call this a fundamental issue. It is just what we as a society decided on. (Maybe I'm too "Ze rules are ze rules" here) Idk what exactly happend. But somehow they got approval from court to collect evidence of the crime (electronic devices) via house search. As said, the harm caused by the house search was later deemed unproportional to the crime.
  - CarlitosHighway 4mo ago
    Victimless when there was a clear target for the insult? Interesting, but wrong take.
CarlitosHighway 4mo ago
Well, it is an insult and the insulted always, before the internet and now, has the right to sue for it. Only because it happened on the internet doesn't change the law.

We're talking about a country where someone had their house raided and their devices stolen by the police for tweeting "Du bist so 1 Pimmel" (you are such a dick) to a politician.

luke5441 4mo ago

This was later deemed inappropriate by courts. Shit happens -- as long as the corrective mechanisms work it is just exceptions.

abustamam 4mo ago
I'm not super convinced that we can call something like that as "shit happens." in the US "shit" like this happens where cops wrongly raid someone's house and someone often dies because of of this. Though, I think it may be an example of corrective mechanisms not working, but this shouldn't have even happened once.
- luke5441 4mo ago
  It's not like the raids in the US because there are less guns around. So risk of someone dying because of a house search are pretty low (supported by police death numbers). This would be more about privacy violations and unnecessary chicanery.
  - l23k4 4mo ago
    > It's not like the raids in the US because there are less guns around. As an European, this attitude is absolutely fucking shocking. Police force their way into my home without excellent cause to do so? I'd want someone executed. It would be unforgivable. It has nothing to do with the guns, but with the absolutely gross violation of the most basic rights codified by the ECHR. >This would be more about privacy violations and unnecessary chicanery. Which is actually worse than the typical American shooting. US cops do not typically go to the scene planning to murder someone, in this case the German cops very much knowingly went to harass someone for calling the German interior minister a prick. It is absolutely egregious premeditated harassment. German minister of interior, the guy in charge of the police, sending the cops to harass people for calling him a prick. Even the current US admin is not so thin-skinned.
    - CarlitosHighway 4mo ago
      It would benefit you to read the applicable laws, keyword "Beleidigung".
- CarlitosHighway 4mo ago
  In Germany, police killing innocent people in house raids is a very rare occurrence, I can't remember a case but of course it's possible that it happened. So maybe Americans should worry about their own business and not tell a country with a much longer history what is best for them?
Saline9515 4mo ago
Why is it even allowed to raid someone for victimless crimes? It's a fundamental issue, not just a mistake.
- luke5441 4mo ago
  Insulting someone is a crime in Germany. We can debate and then change this of course. I wouldn't call this a fundamental issue. It is just what we as a society decided on. (Maybe I'm too "Ze rules are ze rules" here) Idk what exactly happend. But somehow they got approval from court to collect evidence of the crime (electronic devices) via house search. As said, the harm caused by the house search was later deemed unproportional to the crime.
- CarlitosHighway 4mo ago
  Victimless when there was a clear target for the insult? Interesting, but wrong take.

CarlitosHighway 4mo ago

Well, it is an insult and the insulted always, before the internet and now, has the right to sue for it. Only because it happened on the internet doesn't change the law.