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Coincidentally both strategies were implemented by Apple, or sort of. Anyway, seems like Redmond's photocopiers have been running like crazy lately.

shin_lao 14y ago
It's a bit unfair to say that given that both the Surface and the Lumia are quite original.
- wildranter 14y ago
  Sure they are, and I actually like these devices. As a matter a fact I hope they do well in the market. However, my comment was not targeted at thoses devices. But was at their mindset, specially the MSFT's business people.
- mtgx 14y ago
  He was saying they photocopied Apple's distribution strategy not their devices. It's amazing to me how many companies fall for a strategy that works for Apple, and think that it could easily work for them, too. Apple has so many advantages that makes stuff like this work, that it would be almost impossible for anyone else to get it working without those advantages. "If only we would get carrier exclusivity, too" "If only we had our own custom proprietary OS, too" "If only we created our own proprietary docks and connectors" "If only we had our own specialized stores" And many other such things. They copy all these things, thinking that it will work for them just like it did for Apple, without realizing that those work only for Apple, because they are Apple.
  - mgkimsal 14y ago
    With a long term and rather singular/focused goal measured in years, not quarters, these probably would work for some other company. But, these elements are really the byproduct of the long-term goals, vs the goals themselves. I don't see many companies willing to invest in a long-term and multi-pronged strategy. With most companies, one down quarter or bad gartner report and they'll revise next year's activities and products.
Tichy 14y ago
So many companies just do cargo culting when they imitate Apple without understanding :-(
- pekk 14y ago
  When Apple makes a white and slightly rounded version of something that others made years ago, it actually turns out that they are inventing it for the first time. It doesn't exist until Apple makes it.
  - TylerE 14y ago
    It isn't about rounded corners. It's about polished implementations that don't suck running on solid hardware.
    - enraged_camel 14y ago
      Don't bother dude, you can't argue with haters. They're gonna hate no matter what.
  - wallflower 14y ago
    Slightly tangential response: "Why Apple does not do concept products" http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/ http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/
  - kalid 14y ago
    Competition from companies who continue to think Apple just took an existing phone, and made it slightly rounder, or took existing tablets, and made them slightly thinner, or took existing laptop designs, and made them slightly sleeker, is why Apple mercilessly dominates those industries.
    - pekk 14y ago
      When another company copies an idea, it is "cargo culting" from Apple. But when Apple copies an idea, it is doing exactly what it should be doing. The reality is that lots of companies copy lots of ideas and that is normal. The exchange doesn't just go from Apple geniuses to everyone else. No company is an island

shin_lao 14y ago

It's a bit unfair to say that given that both the Surface and the Lumia are quite original.

wildranter 14y ago
Sure they are, and I actually like these devices. As a matter a fact I hope they do well in the market. However, my comment was not targeted at thoses devices. But was at their mindset, specially the MSFT's business people.
mtgx 14y ago
He was saying they photocopied Apple's distribution strategy not their devices. It's amazing to me how many companies fall for a strategy that works for Apple, and think that it could easily work for them, too. Apple has so many advantages that makes stuff like this work, that it would be almost impossible for anyone else to get it working without those advantages. "If only we would get carrier exclusivity, too" "If only we had our own custom proprietary OS, too" "If only we created our own proprietary docks and connectors" "If only we had our own specialized stores" And many other such things. They copy all these things, thinking that it will work for them just like it did for Apple, without realizing that those work only for Apple, because they are Apple.
- mgkimsal 14y ago
  With a long term and rather singular/focused goal measured in years, not quarters, these probably would work for some other company. But, these elements are really the byproduct of the long-term goals, vs the goals themselves. I don't see many companies willing to invest in a long-term and multi-pronged strategy. With most companies, one down quarter or bad gartner report and they'll revise next year's activities and products.

Tichy 14y ago

So many companies just do cargo culting when they imitate Apple without understanding :-(

pekk 14y ago
When Apple makes a white and slightly rounded version of something that others made years ago, it actually turns out that they are inventing it for the first time. It doesn't exist until Apple makes it.
- TylerE 14y ago
  It isn't about rounded corners. It's about polished implementations that don't suck running on solid hardware.
  - enraged_camel 14y ago
    Don't bother dude, you can't argue with haters. They're gonna hate no matter what.
- wallflower 14y ago
  Slightly tangential response: "Why Apple does not do concept products" http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/ http://counternotions.com/2008/08/12/concept-products/
- kalid 14y ago
  Competition from companies who continue to think Apple just took an existing phone, and made it slightly rounder, or took existing tablets, and made them slightly thinner, or took existing laptop designs, and made them slightly sleeker, is why Apple mercilessly dominates those industries.
  - pekk 14y ago
    When another company copies an idea, it is "cargo culting" from Apple. But when Apple copies an idea, it is doing exactly what it should be doing. The reality is that lots of companies copy lots of ideas and that is normal. The exchange doesn't just go from Apple geniuses to everyone else. No company is an island