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It's odd to me that there's only a passing mention in one paragraph about energy costs effecting places like Stoke-on-Trent, and dwelling on austerity as though
by ch4s3 4mo ago
It's odd to me that there's only a passing mention in one paragraph about energy costs effecting places like Stoke-on-Trent, and dwelling on austerity as though government cuts caused industry to leave. England has the highest electricity prices in Europe and that is surely what has been driving industry out of the country in the last 30 years.
- gadders 4mo ago[flagged]
- fssys 4mo agoenergy prices are firmly david camerons fault!
- gadders 4mo agoHe might have been a Net Zero nut, but I don't think he's the one stopping people fracking or drilling the North Sea. And it was Nick Clegg who said "no point building a new nuclear plant as it will take ten years to deliver"(about ten years ago).
- fssys 4mo agoIm referring to brexit and to his "cut the green crap" which left us horribly exposed to energy price shocks caused by Putin. North sea barely has any gas left and is not economically viable. And yes as you have alluded, most of the NZ policies the rw populists are raging about were drafted years ago under the conservatives.
- gadders 4mo agoOil companies seem awfully keen to drill in somewhere that is not economically viable. Net Zero has left us more exposed to Putin, not less as we don't produce much of our own energy and are in fact buying Russian oil via India, rather than drilling out our own.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4mo ago> Net Zero has left us more exposed to Putin, not less Spain and Portugal are less exposed to oil price shocks. Why do you think that is? https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Why-Portugal-and-Spain-Dodge-Europes-Energy-Price-Shock.html https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Why-Portugal-and-...
- gadders 4mo agoThey're also more exposed to massive power outages. Why do you think that is?
- SideburnsOfDoom 4mo agoPivot to a different cheap shot playing on a disinfo talking point. For people who want more a substantive look at it, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47936236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47936236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47936236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47936236
- gadders 4mo agohttps://watt-logic.com/2025/05/09/the-iberian-blackout-shows-the-dangers-of-operating-power-grids-with-low-inertia/ https://watt-logic.com/2025/05/09/the-iberian-blackout-shows...
- roryirvine 4mo agoIf Clegg erred, it was by being overly optimistic. Approval for Hinkley Point C was indeed granted ten years ago but it has not, in fact, delivered. Unit 1 is currently estimated to begin production in 2030 at the earliest. If the projected £48bn cost had instead been invested in building out new wind and solar projects, they'd be online now and would already be producing more electricity than HPC ever will, even when taking the differences in average capacity factor into account.
- gadders 4mo ago...when it is sunny and windy. I honestly don't know why anyone is arguing against nuclear at this point.
- roryirvine 4mo agoEven taking the different average capacity factors into account, the renewables would still produce more electricity each year than Hinkley Point C. The case against new nuclear is simple: they take too long and cost too much money. HPC got the go-ahead based on EDF bearing the brunt of the risk, but if we could have persuaded French taxpayers to subsidise new UK offshore wind it would have made much more sense for us to do that instead.
- gadders 4mo agoThe case against wind and solar is that it only works when it is windy or sunny. At least Nuclear is consistent.
- SideburnsOfDoom 4mo ago> The case against wind and solar is that it only works when it is windy or sunny. It is 2026 and "solar" can for a while now be read as "solar with battery storage". Similar, grid-level storage for any other intermittent power generation method. We all know this, you included. This tired and childish talking point that "solar only works when it is sunny" is boring and increasingly at odds with observed reality of these power systems as they are now rapidly being built out.
- kergonath 4mo agoSorry, when was Ed Milliband in power again?
- gadders 4mo agoOh look: https://www.gov.uk/government/people/ed-miliband https://www.gov.uk/government/people/ed-miliband "Ed Miliband was appointed Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero on 5 July 2024. He was elected MP for Doncaster North in May 2005."
- spacedcowboy 4mo agoEd Milliband for PM! He's about the only one of the lot of them that actually understands that the point of being in power is to change things for the better. He's done an absolutely smashing job with energy, and I'd love him to get the opportunity to do the same sort of real improvements on the rest of the economy.
- gadders 4mo agoIs this satire? We have steel plants and potteries closing down because they can't afford to be run due to energy prices. But that's OK because we can import from China or wherever and it counts against their (dirtier) emissions than ours.
- spacedcowboy 4mo agoWe have lots of things closing down, we need to sort that out, but burning the fucking world so we can live a life of plenty right now while screwing up every child and their own children even worse is not the way to do it. And I don't give a shit if "China is worse". They are, because they started from a worse position, but they're improving a fuck sight faster than us. If your worldview is way too right-wing and self-centered that fucking China is a shining beacon in the darkness by comparison, maybe it's time to take a long hard look in the mirror.
- gadders 4mo agoOh, China is by no means a beacon. I just don't think we should be (effectively) outsourcing pollution to them. In the last 8 years, China has emitted more CO2 than the UK has in the last 250.
- spacedcowboy 4mo agoChina is approximately 40x the size of the UK, and has 20x the people. Using "the last 250 years" is not in any way a comparable term. The UK was emitting (in 2000) roughly what China is emitting today, 9.36 tonnes/capita then for the UK vs 9.24 tonnes/capita now for China. China is behind the UK on the curve from industrialisation to clean industrialisation but the "250 years" thing is just designed to present them in a bad light. Neither of them are close to the USA, which is running at 13.8 tonnes/capita right now.