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Good post, but: > A venerable web application pattern that has had a small modern renaissance thanks to Remix Remix is not that popular. I don't think attrib

Good post, but: > A venerable web application pattern that has had a small modern renaissance thanks to Remix Remix is not that popular. I don't think attributing this to remix is accurate. Next.js quite possibly.

simonw 4mo ago
The full context of that quote makes it clear that it's meant more as a wry joke: > A venerable web application pattern that has had a small modern renaissance thanks to Remix, form submissions and redirects took a while to explain to my colleagues, on account of everyone being used to heavily client-side web applications. (Although it's not really a joke, it's pretty amazing how many professional web developers these days don't know how to use forms without JavaScript.)
- someonebaggy 4mo ago
  The opposite is why I'd never be a good web developer. I grew up messing around with PHP and if I spent the time to learn the modern stack, I'd constantly be thinking it's stupid.
  - dormento 4mo ago
    I can relate to that. I recently had to intervene during the latest office holy war to explain that you don't need JS for file uploads. It was eye opening.
  - dotancohen 4mo ago
    I'm in the same boat as you. Today I generally use Laravel for new projects.
afavour 4mo ago
I think the author is suggesting that Remix was the inspiration for the renaissance, not that it's necessarily the most popular method for doing so. I'd be curious to see the stats on how often Next.js users lean into the server component model that makes the frontend fast. My anecdotal experience is that it's an afterthought for many. By comparison, Astro (as mentioned by the author) makes you think about this stuff upfront via opt-in rather than opt-out. It's a wonderful framework.
- arowthway 4mo ago
  Opt-in = action is required to opt in = off by default.
pspeter3 4mo ago
I think Remix brought back interest in Form Actions and other meta frameworks took inspiration from that.
epolanski 4mo ago
Remix has been nonetheless influential in the space, in the same way preact and signals have been.

simonw 4mo ago

The full context of that quote makes it clear that it's meant more as a wry joke: > A venerable web application pattern that has had a small modern renaissance thanks to Remix, form submissions and redirects took a while to explain to my colleagues, on account of everyone being used to heavily client-side web applications. (Although it's not really a joke, it's pretty amazing how many professional web developers these days don't know how to use forms without JavaScript.)

someonebaggy 4mo ago
The opposite is why I'd never be a good web developer. I grew up messing around with PHP and if I spent the time to learn the modern stack, I'd constantly be thinking it's stupid.
- dormento 4mo ago
  I can relate to that. I recently had to intervene during the latest office holy war to explain that you don't need JS for file uploads. It was eye opening.
- dotancohen 4mo ago
  I'm in the same boat as you. Today I generally use Laravel for new projects.

afavour 4mo ago

I think the author is suggesting that Remix was the inspiration for the renaissance, not that it's necessarily the most popular method for doing so. I'd be curious to see the stats on how often Next.js users lean into the server component model that makes the frontend fast. My anecdotal experience is that it's an afterthought for many. By comparison, Astro (as mentioned by the author) makes you think about this stuff upfront via opt-in rather than opt-out. It's a wonderful framework.

arowthway 4mo ago
Opt-in = action is required to opt in = off by default.

pspeter3 4mo ago

I think Remix brought back interest in Form Actions and other meta frameworks took inspiration from that.

epolanski 4mo ago

Remix has been nonetheless influential in the space, in the same way preact and signals have been.