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Firefox haven't caved in so far. Why do u think it might in future?

palmotea 4mo ago
> Firefox haven't caved in so far. Why do u think it might in future? Because pretty much all their revenue comes from Google.
- Brybry 4mo ago
  I think Google will try to annoy Firefox users into using Chrome instead via things like needless captchas.
  - rvz 4mo ago
    They will do both. Firefox has zero leverage to do anything and is on life support with Google's money.
  - anonymousiam 4mo ago
    All the more reason to keep using Firefox. Donate if you can! https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/donate/ https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/donate/
    - ninalanyon 4mo ago
      Last I heard was that there is no way to be sure that donations to the Mozilla Foundation go to Firefox.
    - pseudalopex 4mo ago
      Donations to Mozilla Foundation do not support Firefox development. But payments for services to Mozilla Corporation do.[1] [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
      - account42 4mo ago
        Those also don't go to just Firefox development but also to cushy executive salaries.
  - blooalien 4mo ago
    Things like https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/06/mozilla-firefox-android-google-play-integrity https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/06/mozilla-firefox-android-... do not bode well either... :(
- close04 4mo ago
  Making Firefox even less desirable by "googlifying" it pushes Firefox users away and kills its image of a viable competitor. That's exactly what Google is paying for. Why would Google destroy the cover they have for keeping control over Chrome and 70% of internet users, just to squeeze a bit more ad revenue from what, 2% of users?
  - tapoxi 4mo ago
    Firefox has around 2% share, it hasn't been a viable competitor for a long time.
  - account42 4mo ago
    Copying Chrome at the expense of loosing even more of their user share has been Firefox's MO for the last decade. It doesn't have to make sense to be reality.
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mrweasel 4mo ago
Because Mozilla, at least from the outside appears to have been horribly mismanaged for the past 20-25 years and only survived because the ad money kept rolling in. I'm not knocking Mozilla for taking money from Google, it was a smart move. Most users would use Google anyway, so Mozilla pocketing billions by making users preferred search engine the default didn't really hurt anyone. Some of that money should however have gone into a trust or some type of investment so that funding for browser development would be safe if the ad money ever dried up. Maybe someone at Mozilla knows something I don't, but there doesn't seem to be much planning for the future.
- close04 4mo ago
  > the ad money kept rolling in Why "ad money"? That's a very uncharitable interpretation and for anyone not aware of the situation it's misleading. They're not paid for ads or by ads, they're paid by Google to continue being a viable alternative to Chrome. Is every Google employee getting "ad money" every month, or a salary? The payment is more accurately described as a protection tax.
  - CjHuber 4mo ago
    Technically yes
    - close04 4mo ago
      Well thought out commentary... Let's dig deeper and at least we make it more interesting conversation, not a blurb. Wouldn't it be technically no because Google's revenue isn't 100% from ads? They're making almost $120bn from cloud, subscriptions and devices for example. It could be cloud money. And if Google gets ad money so whatever it pays becomes ad money, then it's ad money all the way down.
      - rntksi 4mo ago
        Where did you get the $120bn figure? FYI last fiscal results from Q1 of Alphabet, Google Cloud made $20bn revenue Q1 2026, up from Q4 2025 of $17bn. It's a bit misleading to include "subscriptions, platforms, and devices" in cloud. Q1 2026 Google's revenue totalled $109bn, of which $77bn is Ads, so 70% of its revenue is Ads. It's common knowledge that Google is an Ads company.
miroljub 4mo ago
Mozilla Foundation is more interested in spending money on anything else than making Firefox genuinely better. If money gets short, the first thing they would cut would be a browser.
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functionmouse 4mo ago
because Firefox is Google's controlled opposition and regulatory appeasement division I am absolutely knocking Mozilla for taking Google money.

> Firefox haven't caved in so far. Why do u think it might in future? Because pretty much all their revenue comes from Google.

Brybry 4mo ago
I think Google will try to annoy Firefox users into using Chrome instead via things like needless captchas.
- rvz 4mo ago
  They will do both. Firefox has zero leverage to do anything and is on life support with Google's money.
- anonymousiam 4mo ago
  All the more reason to keep using Firefox. Donate if you can! https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/donate/ https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/donate/
  - ninalanyon 4mo ago
    Last I heard was that there is no way to be sure that donations to the Mozilla Foundation go to Firefox.
  - pseudalopex 4mo ago
    Donations to Mozilla Foundation do not support Firefox development. But payments for services to Mozilla Corporation do.[1] [1] https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/products/
    - account42 4mo ago
      Those also don't go to just Firefox development but also to cushy executive salaries.
- blooalien 4mo ago
  Things like https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/06/mozilla-firefox-android-google-play-integrity https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2026/06/mozilla-firefox-android-... do not bode well either... :(
close04 4mo ago
Making Firefox even less desirable by "googlifying" it pushes Firefox users away and kills its image of a viable competitor. That's exactly what Google is paying for. Why would Google destroy the cover they have for keeping control over Chrome and 70% of internet users, just to squeeze a bit more ad revenue from what, 2% of users?
- tapoxi 4mo ago
  Firefox has around 2% share, it hasn't been a viable competitor for a long time.
- account42 4mo ago
  Copying Chrome at the expense of loosing even more of their user share has been Firefox's MO for the last decade. It doesn't have to make sense to be reality.

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mrweasel 4mo ago

Because Mozilla, at least from the outside appears to have been horribly mismanaged for the past 20-25 years and only survived because the ad money kept rolling in. I'm not knocking Mozilla for taking money from Google, it was a smart move. Most users would use Google anyway, so Mozilla pocketing billions by making users preferred search engine the default didn't really hurt anyone. Some of that money should however have gone into a trust or some type of investment so that funding for browser development would be safe if the ad money ever dried up. Maybe someone at Mozilla knows something I don't, but there doesn't seem to be much planning for the future.

close04 4mo ago
> the ad money kept rolling in Why "ad money"? That's a very uncharitable interpretation and for anyone not aware of the situation it's misleading. They're not paid for ads or by ads, they're paid by Google to continue being a viable alternative to Chrome. Is every Google employee getting "ad money" every month, or a salary? The payment is more accurately described as a protection tax.
- CjHuber 4mo ago
  Technically yes
  - close04 4mo ago
    Well thought out commentary... Let's dig deeper and at least we make it more interesting conversation, not a blurb. Wouldn't it be technically no because Google's revenue isn't 100% from ads? They're making almost $120bn from cloud, subscriptions and devices for example. It could be cloud money. And if Google gets ad money so whatever it pays becomes ad money, then it's ad money all the way down.
    - rntksi 4mo ago
      Where did you get the $120bn figure? FYI last fiscal results from Q1 of Alphabet, Google Cloud made $20bn revenue Q1 2026, up from Q4 2025 of $17bn. It's a bit misleading to include "subscriptions, platforms, and devices" in cloud. Q1 2026 Google's revenue totalled $109bn, of which $77bn is Ads, so 70% of its revenue is Ads. It's common knowledge that Google is an Ads company.

miroljub 4mo ago

Mozilla Foundation is more interested in spending money on anything else than making Firefox genuinely better. If money gets short, the first thing they would cut would be a browser.

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functionmouse 4mo ago

because Firefox is Google's controlled opposition and regulatory appeasement division I am absolutely knocking Mozilla for taking Google money.