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> i wish govt would fund these labs and make it free and opensource. It would be impossible for the govt to allocate this much capital towards such a moonshot,

by wyager 4mo ago

> i wish govt would fund these labs and make it free and opensource. It would be impossible for the govt to allocate this much capital towards such a moonshot, and even if they could, they would do it in a way that would get 90% frittered away to fraud and waste

komali2 4mo ago
What makes you so sure? There's been massively successful government funded and run projects before. Soviets beat the Americans to space, after all.
- palmotea 4mo ago
  > What makes you so sure? Doctrine and propaganda can make someone that sure, and the thing they're sure about doesn't even have to be true. > There's been massively successful government funded and run projects before. Soviets beat the Americans to space, after all. Don't let facts get in the way of ideology! Also the Americans subsequently beating the Soviets to the moon was the government literally allocating huge amounts of capital towards the literal trope-namer moonshot.
- wyager 4mo ago
  The entire US lunar effort cost only $330B in current USD, commensurate with the amount AI companies have raised on private markets alone, and there was also a cold war
  - komali2 4mo ago
    I'm not sure I understand your point, sorry. What do you mean?
kurisufag 4mo ago
I have excellent news for you. Lux @ ORNL and Equinox @ Argonne are to be completed by EOY, with Solstice (100k NVIDIA chips, currently spec'd to be Vera Rubins) in the next five years. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/11/launching-the-genesis-mission/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/11/laun...
- wyager 4mo ago
  > Solstice (100k NVIDIA chips, currently spec'd to be Vera Rubins) in the next five years Is this supposed to be impressive? Five years for the equivalent of, what, Colossus 1? What a joke
  - kurisufag 4mo ago
    It's certainly large enough for trillion-param frontier-tier trainings, which will likely result in capable open-weight models, the thing you just wished for.
palmotea 4mo ago
> It would be impossible for the govt to allocate this much capital towards such a moonshot... You have a false definition of "impossible." It would be true to say it could be challenging, given current political dysfunction, but it's not impossible. > ...and even if they could, they would do it in a way that would get 90% frittered away to fraud and waste Same with private business. I'd prefer government funding, because there a greater number of important goals than the two or three the market is capable of optimizing for.
runtime_terror 4mo ago
Lemme guess, Nick Shirley is your favorite journalist?
wolvesechoes 4mo ago
> impossible for the govt to allocate this much capital towards such a moonshot Oh, how funny.

by wyager 4mo ago

komali2 4mo ago

What makes you so sure? There's been massively successful government funded and run projects before. Soviets beat the Americans to space, after all.

palmotea 4mo ago
> What makes you so sure? Doctrine and propaganda can make someone that sure, and the thing they're sure about doesn't even have to be true. > There's been massively successful government funded and run projects before. Soviets beat the Americans to space, after all. Don't let facts get in the way of ideology! Also the Americans subsequently beating the Soviets to the moon was the government literally allocating huge amounts of capital towards the literal trope-namer moonshot.
wyager 4mo ago
The entire US lunar effort cost only $330B in current USD, commensurate with the amount AI companies have raised on private markets alone, and there was also a cold war
- komali2 4mo ago
  I'm not sure I understand your point, sorry. What do you mean?

kurisufag 4mo ago

I have excellent news for you. Lux @ ORNL and Equinox @ Argonne are to be completed by EOY, with Solstice (100k NVIDIA chips, currently spec'd to be Vera Rubins) in the next five years. https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/11/launching-the-genesis-mission/ https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/11/laun...

wyager 4mo ago
> Solstice (100k NVIDIA chips, currently spec'd to be Vera Rubins) in the next five years Is this supposed to be impressive? Five years for the equivalent of, what, Colossus 1? What a joke
- kurisufag 4mo ago
  It's certainly large enough for trillion-param frontier-tier trainings, which will likely result in capable open-weight models, the thing you just wished for.

palmotea 4mo ago

> It would be impossible for the govt to allocate this much capital towards such a moonshot... You have a false definition of "impossible." It would be true to say it could be challenging, given current political dysfunction, but it's not impossible. > ...and even if they could, they would do it in a way that would get 90% frittered away to fraud and waste Same with private business. I'd prefer government funding, because there a greater number of important goals than the two or three the market is capable of optimizing for.

runtime_terror 4mo ago

Lemme guess, Nick Shirley is your favorite journalist?

wolvesechoes 4mo ago

> impossible for the govt to allocate this much capital towards such a moonshot Oh, how funny.