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> Clickable links sent in email are more secure than passwords so I'll stop supporting passwords and instead rely on email delivery of a link for all logins Go

• denkmoon 4mo ago
  The people in charge of the internet are "cybersecurity" "professionals" who can't even follow NIST guidance.
  • readthenotes1 4mo ago
    The "change your password every 6 months" guidance?
    • trumpdong 4mo ago
      That was revoked some years ago.
    • denkmoon 4mo ago
      Specifically the revocation of such guidance. If the field gave even the slightest deference to empiricism we wouldn't be changing our password every 180 days, but here we are.
  • Kaliboy 4mo ago
    It is with much hesitation that I write this, because I just implemented such a flow. My reasoning was this: my customers keep forgetting their password and somehow that becomes a trigger to contact me. No passwords, no problem. I tried convincing them to use password managers but that was pointless. But I see the pain and frustration so I will add passwords. And I quite liked the passkey idea, have to see how that works. Not that my customers would ever use it, but I would. It literally never occured to me.
    • denkmoon 4mo ago
      To be clear, no shade on actual devs faced with actual problems. My ire is reserved exclusively for the "we must do this because it is on the checklist, no I don't understand what a subnet is" people.
    • butvacuum 4mo ago
      Good to see my take verified. But, where does the buck stop? What if your phone relies on email, but your email needs your phone.
  • technion 4mo ago
    A lot of those same people seemed perfectly capable of insisting on 60 day password rotation back when they could use nist guidance as an authority to appeal to (for about five years after the recommendation changed too).
• roygbiv2 4mo ago
  I seem to spend half my life logging into thing's, confirming 2fa,confirming biometric data. Then when I go back to the first thing it's timed out and I have to sign in again.
• anon7000 4mo ago
  So agreed. It’s fucking crazy. Password manager is so much easier and more secure. If you do this dumb email or SMS OTP flow, at LEAST support passkeys for my password manager! It’s wild that they’re like “it’s more secure to not have a password” and then choose two unencrypted delivery mechanisms for the very short OTP. Sure, people who reuse passwords are not secure. And fair, I guess it’s a tragedy of the commons. But at least continue supporting it and make it dead simple for password managers if you actually care bout security
  • 8n4vidtmkvmk 4mo ago
    I thought the same for a long time but now i don't know. If your computer is compromised, they can exfiltrate your password, but with a hardware key they can't, so i think that's legitimately more secure than password+otp. It still needs a pin though to protect against device theft. I bring this up because there's been a ton of compromised developer packages recently and windows itself is being attacked so even if you're pretty good about protecting yourself, you still might get screwed.
    • nvme0n1p1 4mo ago
      If your computer is compromised, the attacker can just as easily read your email. OTP can be used with a password.
      • hdjrudni 4mo ago
        Uh huh? That's why I specifically said hardware key. Like a Yubikey. You can't digitally steal that.
        • akimbostrawman 4mo ago
          That doesn't address anything. If your device is compromised they do not need your hardware key because they can just read all mails on device or steal login/session cookies for accounts and bypass authentication. Passkey is still inferior to U2F + password anyways.
• Terr_ 4mo ago
  There's a landlord/apartment portal where the whole login process has changed to be: 1. Enter username (e.g. an email) 2. Choose from either email or SMS on file 3. Enter the code you got somehow through the respective unencrypted channel Given that this same site is involved with bank-account details for payment, I am concerned...
  • BobbyTables2 4mo ago
    It’s really rich when banking/finance apps are fully happy doing 2FA to the phone when using its own browser… Yeah — loose the phone and it’s pretty much game over.
    • Terr_ 4mo ago
      I don't think it should be the sites' responsibility to guess whether the browser session is the have device will receive an SMS message... The fact that it is SMS is already bad anyway. Time-code apps or passkeys are a different story. 1. You should be able to make backups. 2. There's nothing to intercept in plaintext. 3. The all can (unlike SMS features) be locked down by default and require a second layer of unlocking, so that they usually aren't accessible to someone who grabs your phone out of your hand.
      • account42 4mo ago
        It absolutely should be the Bank's concern when this is how 99% of their customers will use it. Some even have deliberate integration between the baking and 2FA apps.
• paradox460 4mo ago
  I'll heap email and sms based otp into that I have many ways to generate totp codes. All of them are vastly more convenient than sending me an email or sms