5 ms·

I have a suspicion that Twitter laying off so much of the software staff was very influential for people with hiring abilities. The company didn't crash, and th

by txru 4mo ago

I have a suspicion that Twitter laying off so much of the software staff was very influential for people with hiring abilities. The company didn't crash, and they (relatively slowly) began shipping new features again. I think that coincided with the pandemic-era overhiring, and we've been working against that combo ever since. Every now and then, I actively try to make an LLM replace my tasks, and fully do greenfield projects I would accept- I don't see it. It's very good, no doubt. But I have or have been given the project parameters, and just like with a junior, failures in communication inevitably lead to breakdowns in execution.

fdsdfsdfzxczxc 4mo ago
It does your job, but not completely autonomously so you don't see it? It requires a lot of guidance, luckily, I mean thank god otherwise we would be goners. The job itself hasn't become easier, but it did change. If you come across failures you update the spec, the guard rails, whatever you use to guide it. It's not a "it produced bad code and now it's forever useless" type of situation.
- txru 4mo ago
  [flagged]
  - fdsdfsdfzxczxc 4mo ago
    You just did. But it's OK, I understand.
piloto_ciego 4mo ago
I hate to be "that guy" but you're crazy if you don't see AI being able to do greenfield projects you'd accept. I mean, in your defense, last year I think you would have been right, but right now? Codex rocks, as does Claude. I am literally making money shipping a greenfield project to a customer right now. I'm basically a cheap consultant that is incrementally adding features to make something exactly what they want for way cheaper than it would be to do it the old way. There are hiccups, outages, things to fix etc. but the customer is happy with the output, and the reduced price means they get bespoke solutions rather than some BS one size fits all SaaS app. Then my job is maintenance and effectively "ITSM." Which kind of sucks in some ways, I miss writing real code for real projects, but this is the future going forward. If you want something for your business, you'll generate it rather than pay for it and for now at least, getting beyond localhost requires someone who knows a bit about computers or is willing to learn. Most small businesses aren't willing to learn. Now, to your point. Is the code all that clean? Nope (and in your defense sometimes I read through the codebase and shudder)... but who cares? Like, for awhile I would go through and frantically edit it, but why? It worked. Not only that, but there's going to be a new model in 3 months or whatever that can clean it up and make it less shitty. I've literally done that a couple times since I started doing this in January. The customer ain't reading the code. They don't care as long as the the functionality works - that's what counts. The gazillion tests I have keep it stable as I push code, and the CI/CD pipeline removes a ton of the ass pain I'd have without it. The biggest thing I'm worried about when it comes to clean code and good design is trying to make sure I keep the token count down on these projects so I can actually do meaningful work without burning through a week's worth of tokens in a single day. That, and I like to try to keep a sort of architectural bird's eye view on what's happening... Like, I'm not sure what niche of the industry you're in, but for the stuff I'm using it for, stuff is working really well with LLMs.
- txru 4mo ago
  Since this comment began so rudely, I decided against reading the rest. All the best.
  - piloto_ciego 4mo ago
    You do you, I literally say why you would have been right a year ago, but “so rudely” is a pretty funny stretch.
- nwatson 4mo ago
  I'm curious, did you choose "blind pilot" as your username before or after your adoption of LLMs for projects?
  - piloto_ciego 4mo ago
    I am a blind pilot lol, but I’m not going to dox myself further
- kalb_almas 4mo ago
  >Now, to your point. Is the code all that clean? Nope... but who cares? Typically, this is not the type of phrase that is said right before everything goes extremely well
  - dw_arthur 4mo ago
    I assume they are working on low stakes software. Does it really matter if you use an LLM to code a scheduling app for a hair salon or veterinary clinic?
    - lesuorac 4mo ago
      Meh, stakes don't matter. So much of the financial world runs off excel. Think about all the geneticists that complain about excel re-writing DNA sequences. It doesn't matter if its high stakes or low stakes. People use the software that generates the results they like. Not the software that is "correct to use".
mikrotikker 4mo ago
I thought 80% of those layoffs were bougie HR jobs

by txru 4mo ago

fdsdfsdfzxczxc 4mo ago

It does your job, but not completely autonomously so you don't see it? It requires a lot of guidance, luckily, I mean thank god otherwise we would be goners. The job itself hasn't become easier, but it did change. If you come across failures you update the spec, the guard rails, whatever you use to guide it. It's not a "it produced bad code and now it's forever useless" type of situation.

txru 4mo ago
[flagged]
- fdsdfsdfzxczxc 4mo ago
  You just did. But it's OK, I understand.

piloto_ciego 4mo ago

I hate to be "that guy" but you're crazy if you don't see AI being able to do greenfield projects you'd accept. I mean, in your defense, last year I think you would have been right, but right now? Codex rocks, as does Claude. I am literally making money shipping a greenfield project to a customer right now. I'm basically a cheap consultant that is incrementally adding features to make something exactly what they want for way cheaper than it would be to do it the old way. There are hiccups, outages, things to fix etc. but the customer is happy with the output, and the reduced price means they get bespoke solutions rather than some BS one size fits all SaaS app. Then my job is maintenance and effectively "ITSM." Which kind of sucks in some ways, I miss writing real code for real projects, but this is the future going forward. If you want something for your business, you'll generate it rather than pay for it and for now at least, getting beyond localhost requires someone who knows a bit about computers or is willing to learn. Most small businesses aren't willing to learn. Now, to your point. Is the code all that clean? Nope (and in your defense sometimes I read through the codebase and shudder)... but who cares? Like, for awhile I would go through and frantically edit it, but why? It worked. Not only that, but there's going to be a new model in 3 months or whatever that can clean it up and make it less shitty. I've literally done that a couple times since I started doing this in January. The customer ain't reading the code. They don't care as long as the the functionality works - that's what counts. The gazillion tests I have keep it stable as I push code, and the CI/CD pipeline removes a ton of the ass pain I'd have without it. The biggest thing I'm worried about when it comes to clean code and good design is trying to make sure I keep the token count down on these projects so I can actually do meaningful work without burning through a week's worth of tokens in a single day. That, and I like to try to keep a sort of architectural bird's eye view on what's happening... Like, I'm not sure what niche of the industry you're in, but for the stuff I'm using it for, stuff is working really well with LLMs.

txru 4mo ago
Since this comment began so rudely, I decided against reading the rest. All the best.
- piloto_ciego 4mo ago
  You do you, I literally say why you would have been right a year ago, but “so rudely” is a pretty funny stretch.
nwatson 4mo ago
I'm curious, did you choose "blind pilot" as your username before or after your adoption of LLMs for projects?
- piloto_ciego 4mo ago
  I am a blind pilot lol, but I’m not going to dox myself further
kalb_almas 4mo ago
>Now, to your point. Is the code all that clean? Nope... but who cares? Typically, this is not the type of phrase that is said right before everything goes extremely well
- dw_arthur 4mo ago
  I assume they are working on low stakes software. Does it really matter if you use an LLM to code a scheduling app for a hair salon or veterinary clinic?
  - lesuorac 4mo ago
    Meh, stakes don't matter. So much of the financial world runs off excel. Think about all the geneticists that complain about excel re-writing DNA sequences. It doesn't matter if its high stakes or low stakes. People use the software that generates the results they like. Not the software that is "correct to use".

mikrotikker 4mo ago

I thought 80% of those layoffs were bougie HR jobs