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We have a say at a 4th level of derived decision, which is 2 levels more than what people call a democracy. Also, the other political party will do it too. = W
by eastbound 4mo ago
We have a say at a 4th level of derived decision, which is 2 levels more than what people call a democracy. Also, the other political party will do it too.
= We don’t have a say. We voted NO to the new EU treaties in 2008 and the new president decided that electing him meant that we approved the same treaties.
They only let us vote when we agree, anyway.
- Henchman21 4mo agoVoting the world over is a joke. IIRC it was Carlin who said “if voting mattered they wouldn’t met us do it”.
- afthonos 4mo agoPeople the world over: (die for the right to vote) One comedian: LOL they only killed them to make you think it was valuable. The Internet: (sagely) What a wise assessment by a wise man of wisdom.
- meta_gunslinger 4mo agoTons of people have died for a variety of causes throughout human history. It does not mean that the causes were not silly or deluded. (e.g religious wars, Communism, Fascism etc.)
- afthonos 4mo agoCarlin didn’t say it was silly, he said it didn’t matter. Religion, communism, fascism were all world-defining ideas, and they very much mattered to those who fought for them and against them. What am I saying, “mattered”. Go check social media, they matter right now.
- meta_gunslinger 4mo agoWell they weren’t silly but they were definitely deluded. They still are.
- dotancohen 4mo agoCarlin was excellent at delivery, but don't confuse clever delivery with wisdom.
- Muromec 4mo agoThe lower chamber of parliament that votes on the regulation is directly elected and can rewrite and amend proposals. The higher chamber (EU Council) is comprised from government (or state?) heads which are either directly of indirectly elected with a length of 1. The commission (executive branch) that drafts the laws that are amended and passed by the parliament is voted in by a parliament which is directly elected. Where do you get 4th level of deriviation exactly?
- coldtea 4mo agoIt's even less direct than national parliaments, which already are a joke. And the unelected bureucracy, careerists, and 2-3 big country interests pressuring others under the table, are driving the show...
- kergonath 4mo agoIt’s just as direct as national parliaments. Citizens vote for MEPs.
- coldtea 4mo agoSure.
- racingmars 4mo agoBut MEPs can't even introduce legislation, they have to get all of Parliament to ask the European Commission to initiate legislation, and the Commissioners are pretty far removed from direct election. Nobody elected by the citizens can initiate legislation.
- meta_gunslinger 4mo agoPlease stop spreading misinformation, the European Parliament constituted by the MEPs has zero legislative powers.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 4mo agoNot sure what other mechanism would be possible for creating a rule system like the DMA presuming that the EU countries remain independent. Treaties are too slow, and direct democracy on an issue this complicated is the realm of science fiction (see Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space universe for a take on this -- particularly the Demarchist faction).