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Back in 2019, it was more fair to have caution around the larger GPT-2 models since robust text generation (by 2019 standards) was a complete unknown. For somet
by minimaxir 5mo ago
Back in 2019, it was more fair to have caution around the larger GPT-2 models since robust text generation (by 2019 standards) was a complete unknown. For something like Mythos in 2026, where now the social implications of better LLMs are more understood, it's more fair to call it (EDIT: specifically, the declaration of its danger) a marketing gimmick.
- Qhemlomo 5mo agoHow is this a gimmick? It changes my whole profession on a level i couldn't even imagine how we would 'solve' software engineering.
- realusername 5mo agoWe still didn't "solve" software engineering, try to give Claude code access to your friends or family and see what they do with it.
- Qhemlomo 5mo agoMy partner wrote an android app which was doing what she wanted to do. She did this experiment 5 month ago and she did this in one day. My wife has 0 knowledge how any of this works. That was shocking to see. Progress is not stoping and Fable proves that.
- stanmancan 5mo agoYou can scaffold out a simple app pretty easily. Anything large or complex things break down. If you don’t know what you’re doing you end up leaking secrets like the dozens of examples we’ve seen so far.
- Qhemlomo 5mo agoYou know what the problem is in software engineering? A LOT of people have no clue what good software engineering is. I was working in a company before which used md5 in 2015! Databases on the internet with a 5 character password. No tests. A person i know would have broken the whole production DB if i wouldn't have stoped the PR. Another ex-collegue thought its okay to 'encrypt' with a basic shift cyper creditcard data. I don't think any of these companies care that much
- stanmancan 5mo agoYes the same applies to junior and inexperienced developers.
- GTP 5mo ago> You know what the problem is in software engineering? A LOT of people have no clue what good software engineering is. Indeed. Is Mythos going to change this?
- esafak 5mo agoYes. It is going to make better decisions for people that don't know better.
- Qhemlomo 5mo agoOn one side, it means that a certain amount of business will just use it even if you think its not safe/good enough and they will throw out people and will still succeed. And on the other side: yes because they will also use LLM review or other tooling and will be fine whatever the 'security llm agent' tells them.
- StableAlkyne 5mo agoYou could always do this, though. Before gen code killed the freelance business model, there were hoards of people on Upwork/Fiverr willing to fuck other freelancers over and underpay themselves to make whatever barely-working slop you wanted. Hell, before managers got the idea of AI layoffs, they had been off-shoring to low-quality code sweatshops for years. That was supposed to kill software engineering in the States 20 years ago. And it was just as frustrating (if not moreso) to get them to actually fulfill the project requirements.
- realusername 5mo agoI'd say creating a project is 5% of the job and maintaining it over time 95% of it. It's true that they can start amazing projects without guidance but then the real work begins.
- jason_oster 5mo agoThere is almost no maintenance work for bespoke apps apart from infrequent updates to keep OS and hardware compatibility as the environment slowly changes. Keep in mind, these are not products in the endless feature treadmill promoted by scrum.
- realusername 5mo agoI've worked on an app and I'd say the opposite, I even abandonned the app at some point due to the maintenance work involved.
- jason_oster 5mo agoI don't particularly doubt your experience. But if you have struggled to maintain an app that is effectively complete upon inception, it means that changes in your environment are so common that it's a surprise you get anything at all done.
- realusername 5mo agoWelcome to the world of apps, apps fits this definition yes.
- Qhemlomo 5mo agoThats what the agentic layer will fix, but this is currently getting build.
- jason_oster 5mo agoMy non-programmer friends have created: - A mod manager for Vintage Story in Swift. - A GameShark Pro adapter using an ESP32 that hosts a web app for dumping N64 ROMs and searching for cheat codes.
- juleiie 5mo agoFor starters it makes you able to bypass having to go on Reddit to find incomplete trace of solution to some niche problem and acts as a sophisticated (but sometimes wrong) search engine. This already is worth every penny and improved my mental health immensely.
- throwaway85825 5mo agoFortunately you still get the reddit experience with AI. https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1hxa3kj/ai_reached_its_peak/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPT/comments/1hxa3kj/ai_reached...
- ludamn 5mo ago[dead]
- juleiie 5mo agoI am not clicking that link. I have blocked all reddit domains in my router, using AI to retrieve answers from Reddit. You can copy paste it in reply if you want
- throwaway85825 5mo agoSure. The quote from Gemini is: "one reddit user says kill yourself"
- malfist 5mo ago> It changes my whole profession on a level i couldn't even imagine I assure, it doesn't.
- senordevnyc 5mo agoIt already has! It’s mind-boggling that anyone could deny this in mid-2026. Virtually every software engineer I know is no longer writing the majority of their code. Many are not writing any code, myself included. And I’m a staff engineer with 20 yoe, formerly at big tech, and now building a (profitable) SaaS of my own. The way I work is wildly different from a year ago. And no one is going back.
- hrpulsar 5mo ago[dead]
- Anamon 4mo agoMy experience is different. I hear a lot of developers, old and young, scaling back their LLM use now that the bills are coming in. And I don't just mean the financial bills, mostly it's about them realising that there's a lot lf shit they need to fix that the model can't handle, and they no longer understand it enough to either do it or properly prompt a model to. The most prevalent trend I see around me today is that people are going back to using the LLMs as research, review, and sketching tools, but writing most actual code themselves again. And it's not just AI skeptics doing that, it's those who went all-in and are finally seeing the downsides and limitations of this technology, now that the hype is waning.
- Qhemlomo 5mo agoI'm happy to have a discussion with you if you bring any argument. Before GPT what would have been your choise of architecture, setup, alogorithm if someone comes to you and says "write a tool/system which can generate code" "what do you mean generate code? How do i control it?" "by writing what you want in natural language" "puh 50 years of development, 100 billion, top tier team of linguists and software engineers perhaps?" Ask StackOverflow if they think it didn't change anything for them.
- GTP 5mo agoHas it been released to the public yet? Genuine question. Because if you didn't try it yourself, you have to rely on others' reports. And different people who tried it on different projects got different results, leading to different conclusions.
- novaleaf 5mo agoit was released a few hrs ago as "Fable 5". it's an incremental improvement over Opus 4.8.
- oathvz 5mo agoThis is a natural follow up question -- what kind of an escalation or message should frontier labs/companies publish to be seen as genuine and not marketing gimmick?
- minimaxir 5mo agoIt's fine for the labs to publish model safety cards and stagger releases/limit it to a narrow test group as they are already doing, but saying they're doing it "because the models could be dangerous" comes off as unnecessary as best.
- enraged_camel 5mo agoUnnecessary based on what exactly? Your vibes?
- aesthesia 5mo agoOne of the main purposes of model cards, from the beginning, has been to outline the ways that a model could be harmful or dangerous, and mitigations that can be or have been taken to reduce those risks. How do you expect labs to publish model cards without talking about this rationale?
- SR2Z 5mo agoI think the point is that the model card should be released with the model, not foreshadowed by several months of ominous tweets from the CEO.
- senordevnyc 5mo agoWhat? So it’s fine for them to be concerned about the safety, try to measure it, publish results about it, start with a cautious phased release approach, basically all the things they’re doing. But if they say why they’re doing all those things, it’s too much? What?
- nullc 5mo agoThese chicken littles have lied far too many times in far too extreme ways in their desperate attempts to obtain a monopoly by regulation. The remaining 'worthwhile message' would be that they have deleted their models and are dissolving the company, because they believe the risk was too great and was worth losing the revenue and risk being civically prosecuted by their investors, and will take the chance that they'll be able to convince a court/jury that they acted properly. In other words, putting their own skin on the line for the veracity of their claim-- rather than everyone elses.
- killerstorm 5mo agoYeah, I'm sure Anthropic loves people switching to Codex. Brilliant marketing.
- nottorp 5mo agoIt was bullshit in 2019 it's bullshit now too. They just keep threatening governments in hope they get a legal monopoly.