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having developed multiple apps on it and tried every which way to use it (as an XR enthusiast in general), I have never been so happy to put a headset up on the

having developed multiple apps on it and tried every which way to use it (as an XR enthusiast in general), I have never been so happy to put a headset up on the shelf and never pull it out again. using as a spatial monitor was cool. for about 10min until my neck got tired of the added weight. but I’ll give credit that those 10min were pretty cool.

system2 4mo ago
If you are not going to pick it up from the shelf, why wouldn't you sell it before it loses even more value as tech evolves?
- dehugger 4mo ago
  most gen1 apple products are a small retirement investment if you keep it in working condition for long enough
  - system2 4mo ago
    You mean 40-50 years? It would make more money if you invested in a tech stock. Apple itself has gone up 3,000x since its ipo. $1K would be $3M today.
  - al_borland 4mo ago
    This is gambling on a 50 year timeline.
orimirs 4mo ago
Is there a headset you like use for prolonged periods?
- ChoGGi 4mo ago
  I don't have any issue going a couple hours with my HP reverb g2, it is wired though, and I imagine quite a bit lighter.
- t-writescode 4mo ago
  I regularly wear a Quest 3 for 4-7 hours at a time. Before that, I used a Focus Vision for the same. I have a battery pack I put in my pocket for the Quest 3 and I’m generally very happy with it.
  - fouc 4mo ago
    is that 4-7 hours with the Quest 3 mostly for working or entertainment?
    - t-writescode 4mo ago
      Mostly entertainment. Oftentimes with lots of generalized movement, including head turning, tilting, etc.
wvenable 4mo ago
Since it's tethered anyway for the battery, I think Apple made a mistake just not building it as a (smart) monitor tethered to a separate PC. Imagine if the vision pro could just be plugged into a small compute module with a battery or just plugged directly into a Macbook. It would be lighter, cheaper, and more flexible. I think a lot more people would have been interested in it.
- Caracas288 4mo ago
  Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. It would be so cool to be able to plug in arbitrary input devices too, like a dvd player, but its understandable that others don’t feel this way, and it would totally not be an apple product if it did this. One of their main imposed constraints was clearly to make the battery pocketable, which sadly precludes a lot of things which would have made it a better product, in favour of wider acceptability.
  - grokx 4mo ago
    > Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. You can't move the compute away in a headset. I have worked for an XR OEM, and when you are designing a headset, you want the compute to be as close as possible from the cameras and displays, to achieve the lowest possible latency and avoid motion sickness for the users. Even moving the compute to the back of the headset was not considered viable by our HW team. And we haven't spoken about the bandwidth required for all those cameras and UHD displays. A better way to reduce the weight of the AVP would have been to remove the (useless IMO) front holographic screen, and to replace most of the glass and metal by plastic. And maybe move the battery pack to the back, to get a more balanced headset.
    - dsernst 4mo ago
      I agree w/ most of what you said about reducing latency. Just wanted to let you know the new Dual Knit bands are weighted in the back, and improve the balance a bunch.
    - wvenable 4mo ago
nkrisc 4mo ago
Unless materials science advances to the point where a display like the Vision Pro weighs as much as a pair of glasses, I don’t think there’ll ever be mass adoption of wearable VR beyond anything more than a novelty, for exactly the reason you stated. Wearing something heavy on the front of your face is simply not a pleasant experience.
- Geee 4mo ago
  Beyond 2 is 107 grams. The new M5 Vision Pro is 750 grams. It's easily doable, but Apple deliberately makes them heavy for some reason.
  - asadotzler 4mo ago
    Beyond 2 has almost none of the sensor suite, no eye tracking, no meaningful compute, no pass-through video, no inside-out tracking, no gesture control, and requires two to three entirely separate units set up around the room to do any outside in tracking, yet it still weighs 4-5x what glasses weigh. Just the displays and lenses will outweigh glasses considerably and there's nothing to strip back when you're down to display and lenses. Throw in a chassis and head strap and you're pretty far from glasses in weight and ergonomics.
    - Geee 4mo ago
      Yeah, that's why I don't have Beyond 2. Beoynd 2e has eye tracking. The added mass is just 1 g which is kind of hilarious. You could add 8 visual sensors for pass-through, inside-out tracking and hand tracking, adding maybe 10 g. Compute should probably be on the wired external unit or streamed wirelessly. Having it on-board would probably add less than 50g of mass though, but you also need cooling which is not very easy without adding mass. You could try something like structural heat piping through the headstrap or the battery wire. Anyway I think it should definitely be doable under 200g, which would be much more comfortable than the current 750-800g.
  - layer8 4mo ago
    107 grams is still pretty heavy. Regular glasses are 35 grams or less. My sunglasses are below 20 grams.
cineticdaffodil 4mo ago
In industrial robotics, there is this emergency practice when the payload and tooling on the robot gets to heavy, to connect the payload to a counterweight and pully system, to "neutralize it in weight". Has anyone here tried that ? It should take three thin ropes with weight to make a object neutrally buyont. Yes, its tied to one room, yes its not pretty and futuristic, but its practical? If you want freedom of movement, connect via magnet- and dedock on leaving the room?
- thih9 4mo ago
  Here is a video: https://old.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1cki7jc/brilliant_weight_reduction_solution_for_vision_pro/ https://old.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1cki7jc/brillian...
- MisterTea 4mo ago
  Counterweights are common in a lot of industrial machinery. Most CNC mills have them on the Z axis to neutralize the spindle weight. And they're not always a weight on a rope or chain, they can be gas or hydraulic cylinders with valves enabling dynamic loading.
- masfuerte 4mo ago
  More simply, I wonder if anyone's tried adding an equal weight to the back of their head. This would double the weight, but people can carry very heavy loads on their heads as long as the weight is acting downwards.
  - esikich 4mo ago
    The issue with that is you would constantly need to keep your head on the same plane, as soon as you move it around, it becomes unbalanced and now it's even harder to move around because it's heavier. Walking with something balanced on your head is a completely different use case than looking around, up and down etc.
  - t-writescode 4mo ago
    Yes. This is how various headsets are made. The HTC focus Vision is one example, and there’s an addon (not sure if third party) for the quest 3 that puts a battery back there. So yes, this is done and it can help.

system2 4mo ago

If you are not going to pick it up from the shelf, why wouldn't you sell it before it loses even more value as tech evolves?

dehugger 4mo ago
most gen1 apple products are a small retirement investment if you keep it in working condition for long enough
- system2 4mo ago
  You mean 40-50 years? It would make more money if you invested in a tech stock. Apple itself has gone up 3,000x since its ipo. $1K would be $3M today.
- al_borland 4mo ago
  This is gambling on a 50 year timeline.

orimirs 4mo ago

Is there a headset you like use for prolonged periods?

ChoGGi 4mo ago
I don't have any issue going a couple hours with my HP reverb g2, it is wired though, and I imagine quite a bit lighter.
t-writescode 4mo ago
I regularly wear a Quest 3 for 4-7 hours at a time. Before that, I used a Focus Vision for the same. I have a battery pack I put in my pocket for the Quest 3 and I’m generally very happy with it.
- fouc 4mo ago
  is that 4-7 hours with the Quest 3 mostly for working or entertainment?
  - t-writescode 4mo ago
    Mostly entertainment. Oftentimes with lots of generalized movement, including head turning, tilting, etc.

wvenable 4mo ago

Since it's tethered anyway for the battery, I think Apple made a mistake just not building it as a (smart) monitor tethered to a separate PC. Imagine if the vision pro could just be plugged into a small compute module with a battery or just plugged directly into a Macbook. It would be lighter, cheaper, and more flexible. I think a lot more people would have been interested in it.

Caracas288 4mo ago
Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. It would be so cool to be able to plug in arbitrary input devices too, like a dvd player, but its understandable that others don’t feel this way, and it would totally not be an apple product if it did this. One of their main imposed constraints was clearly to make the battery pocketable, which sadly precludes a lot of things which would have made it a better product, in favour of wider acceptability.
- grokx 4mo ago
  > Yes, make the battery 2x bigger and include the compute in that. You can't move the compute away in a headset. I have worked for an XR OEM, and when you are designing a headset, you want the compute to be as close as possible from the cameras and displays, to achieve the lowest possible latency and avoid motion sickness for the users. Even moving the compute to the back of the headset was not considered viable by our HW team. And we haven't spoken about the bandwidth required for all those cameras and UHD displays. A better way to reduce the weight of the AVP would have been to remove the (useless IMO) front holographic screen, and to replace most of the glass and metal by plastic. And maybe move the battery pack to the back, to get a more balanced headset.
  - dsernst 4mo ago
    I agree w/ most of what you said about reducing latency. Just wanted to let you know the new Dual Knit bands are weighted in the back, and improve the balance a bunch.
  - wvenable 4mo ago

nkrisc 4mo ago

Unless materials science advances to the point where a display like the Vision Pro weighs as much as a pair of glasses, I don’t think there’ll ever be mass adoption of wearable VR beyond anything more than a novelty, for exactly the reason you stated. Wearing something heavy on the front of your face is simply not a pleasant experience.

Geee 4mo ago
Beyond 2 is 107 grams. The new M5 Vision Pro is 750 grams. It's easily doable, but Apple deliberately makes them heavy for some reason.
- asadotzler 4mo ago
  Beyond 2 has almost none of the sensor suite, no eye tracking, no meaningful compute, no pass-through video, no inside-out tracking, no gesture control, and requires two to three entirely separate units set up around the room to do any outside in tracking, yet it still weighs 4-5x what glasses weigh. Just the displays and lenses will outweigh glasses considerably and there's nothing to strip back when you're down to display and lenses. Throw in a chassis and head strap and you're pretty far from glasses in weight and ergonomics.
  - Geee 4mo ago
    Yeah, that's why I don't have Beyond 2. Beoynd 2e has eye tracking. The added mass is just 1 g which is kind of hilarious. You could add 8 visual sensors for pass-through, inside-out tracking and hand tracking, adding maybe 10 g. Compute should probably be on the wired external unit or streamed wirelessly. Having it on-board would probably add less than 50g of mass though, but you also need cooling which is not very easy without adding mass. You could try something like structural heat piping through the headstrap or the battery wire. Anyway I think it should definitely be doable under 200g, which would be much more comfortable than the current 750-800g.
- layer8 4mo ago
  107 grams is still pretty heavy. Regular glasses are 35 grams or less. My sunglasses are below 20 grams.

cineticdaffodil 4mo ago

In industrial robotics, there is this emergency practice when the payload and tooling on the robot gets to heavy, to connect the payload to a counterweight and pully system, to "neutralize it in weight". Has anyone here tried that ? It should take three thin ropes with weight to make a object neutrally buyont. Yes, its tied to one room, yes its not pretty and futuristic, but its practical? If you want freedom of movement, connect via magnet- and dedock on leaving the room?

thih9 4mo ago
Here is a video: https://old.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1cki7jc/brilliant_weight_reduction_solution_for_vision_pro/ https://old.reddit.com/r/VisionPro/comments/1cki7jc/brillian...
MisterTea 4mo ago
Counterweights are common in a lot of industrial machinery. Most CNC mills have them on the Z axis to neutralize the spindle weight. And they're not always a weight on a rope or chain, they can be gas or hydraulic cylinders with valves enabling dynamic loading.
masfuerte 4mo ago
More simply, I wonder if anyone's tried adding an equal weight to the back of their head. This would double the weight, but people can carry very heavy loads on their heads as long as the weight is acting downwards.
- esikich 4mo ago
  The issue with that is you would constantly need to keep your head on the same plane, as soon as you move it around, it becomes unbalanced and now it's even harder to move around because it's heavier. Walking with something balanced on your head is a completely different use case than looking around, up and down etc.
- t-writescode 4mo ago
  Yes. This is how various headsets are made. The HTC focus Vision is one example, and there’s an addon (not sure if third party) for the quest 3 that puts a battery back there. So yes, this is done and it can help.