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It is but it remains shockingly bad at closing sufficiently deeply nested parens at least as far as chatGPT

iLemming 4mo ago
I bet you're just treating it like any other (non-homoiconic) language. An agent that edits files and re-runs `clj` is doing something fundamentally different from what a Clojure developer typically does. When you give the agent a REPL - things get far more interesting.
- michaelmrose 4mo ago
  Not really running agents at all literally just using the $20 chatGPT subscription and editing files.
  - iLemming 4mo ago
    Well, that's not how a Clojure dev normally would write it. If you're not using the REPL (with or without AI) - you're missing the point/misusing the tool. Therefore "remains shockingly bad" perspective is unfair - it's like using a screwdriver to remove nails while complaining that it keeps bending.
    - michaelmrose 4mo ago
      I'm an amateur with a tiny budget using the method which is most approachable to try it out.
    - michaelmrose 4mo ago
      I'm happy to hear any thoughts you have on the best way to make use of it. Presently I use emacs and cider but I'm not altogether unhappy with IntelliJ or VSCode
      - iLemming 4mo ago
        So yes, you're already using Clojure REPL with CIDER, right? Then why not make AI use it as well? You can do that directly from Emacs, with ECA¹ for example. Which on its own won't change anything - it still be in that batch-style mode - LLM spawns process -> reads stdout/stderr -> spawns next process. What you'd need on top of that is an MCP that "understands" nrepl. You can find many different ones, I built my own (written in Clojure, runs with babashka)² Alternatively, you can use Dmitry Sotnikov's agentic tool³. Dima is a well-known Clojurista (with published books, etc.) I have not tried that myself because I prefer staying in Emacs, but it might be even easier choice for someone else. --- ¹ https://eca.dev https://eca.dev ² https://github.com/agzam/death-contraptions/tree/main/tools/nrepl https://github.com/agzam/death-contraptions/tree/main/tools/... ³ https://dirge-code.github.io https://dirge-code.github.io

I bet you're just treating it like any other (non-homoiconic) language. An agent that edits files and re-runs `clj` is doing something fundamentally different from what a Clojure developer typically does. When you give the agent a REPL - things get far more interesting.

michaelmrose 4mo ago
Not really running agents at all literally just using the $20 chatGPT subscription and editing files.
- iLemming 4mo ago
  Well, that's not how a Clojure dev normally would write it. If you're not using the REPL (with or without AI) - you're missing the point/misusing the tool. Therefore "remains shockingly bad" perspective is unfair - it's like using a screwdriver to remove nails while complaining that it keeps bending.
  - michaelmrose 4mo ago
    I'm an amateur with a tiny budget using the method which is most approachable to try it out.
  - michaelmrose 4mo ago
    I'm happy to hear any thoughts you have on the best way to make use of it. Presently I use emacs and cider but I'm not altogether unhappy with IntelliJ or VSCode
    - iLemming 4mo ago
      So yes, you're already using Clojure REPL with CIDER, right? Then why not make AI use it as well? You can do that directly from Emacs, with ECA¹ for example. Which on its own won't change anything - it still be in that batch-style mode - LLM spawns process -> reads stdout/stderr -> spawns next process. What you'd need on top of that is an MCP that "understands" nrepl. You can find many different ones, I built my own (written in Clojure, runs with babashka)² Alternatively, you can use Dmitry Sotnikov's agentic tool³. Dima is a well-known Clojurista (with published books, etc.) I have not tried that myself because I prefer staying in Emacs, but it might be even easier choice for someone else. --- ¹ https://eca.dev https://eca.dev ² https://github.com/agzam/death-contraptions/tree/main/tools/nrepl https://github.com/agzam/death-contraptions/tree/main/tools/... ³ https://dirge-code.github.io https://dirge-code.github.io