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Yet Gemini had no issues to comply with EU's DMA and release on all phones? Let's call it how it is: Android phones allow every competitor to run their chatbot

Yet Gemini had no issues to comply with EU's DMA and release on all phones? Let's call it how it is: Android phones allow every competitor to run their chatbot in place of Gemini. Want Perplexity instead of Gemini? You can have it. Samsung launches with Perplexity as of late. Apple? As always, went into "ay mate, too integrated, can't give the same APIs to competitors" lame excuse.

zdragnar 5mo ago
If the options are "launch in the rest of the world quickly and get to the EU later" or "launch everywhere at once years after the competition" PMs and execs are going to choose the latter every time.
- rootusrootus 5mo ago
  Former, you mean?
  - zdragnar 5mo ago
    Yes, indeed, I wasn't paying attention.
    - rootusrootus 5mo ago
      I figured, just wanted to verify, because while the former seems like the obvious answer, it could be argued with a straight face that Apple's strategy is in fact the latter. Or something like it.
- yxhuvud 5mo ago
  The third option is: launch in a way that is compliant with EU rules everywhere. Except they don't want that as they want to retain their outsized market power.
  - tzs 5mo ago
    That's not a third option. It is the second option they listed.
yandie 5mo ago
Appples architecture prevents them from seeing customers data (see Private Cloud Compute documentation). Data that Gemini Assistant (not referring to the distilled version Apple uses) see goes straight to Google. Big difference here. Weird to say it but the only assistant with any guarantee for privacy by design is Siri at the moment.
- NitpickLawyer 5mo ago
  > Data that Gemini see goes straight to Google. That's not how the deal was announced. You don't pay Bs / year for a licence to gemini to send them your data. You pay that to run it on your own hardware, in your own garden, so the data stays put. I know the internet is always anti big companies, but this is likely a "not worth it for now, we'll eventually do it" effort from Apple. The EU AI act is a mess, and the effort to simply know what they have to do to comply with it is likely going to take armies of people (not devs) and a lot of time, as the OOP said. And the saddest part about it, is that Apple has the money and resources to sink into this. Think about all the small players that don't. This is yet again a miss for the commission, with the end result being an insidious form of regulatory capture. It sucks for those of us running small companies. Oh well.
  - yandie 5mo ago
    I was referring to Google Gemini AI (their branding is horrible) - Google can see ALL of your interactions with their services - that's not what Apple gets to see https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/
- epolanski 5mo ago
  What is the source of this claim that this is the reason?
  - yandie 5mo ago
    https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/ https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/ The code is open source: https://github.com/apple/security-pcc https://github.com/apple/security-pcc
dktp 5mo ago
That's not fully true. Lots of things get to Europe later (Gemini memories, though we have them now, Spark as latest noteworthy) Or never. Like the majority of Pixel 10 on device AI features (image editing, magic cue).
- krzyk 5mo ago
  Some features don't land in Europe because US companies can't handle the amount of languages. For them it is English and maybe Spanish or Chinese because they don't care how heybmake money.
  - epolanski 5mo ago
    Nonsense, Google is among the most aggressive when it comes to localization to the point of being oblivious. I have not been able to switch language in Sheets since 2018, and I've changed any possible setting (even account language). All guides are in English and I'm stuck with Sheets in Italian.
- microtonal 5mo ago
  I have the AI image editing features on Pixel in Europe.
ErneX 5mo ago
Are you sure about that? https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/google-open-android-to-other-ai-services-beyond-gemini-eu-126042900721_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/googl...
- epolanski 5mo ago
  100%, it's been almost 2 years that you can choose whatever you want.[1] I run Perplexity in place of Gemini, but I can also run Claude and others. [1] https://i.imgur.com/BgvxqQQ.png https://i.imgur.com/BgvxqQQ.png Apple is just being the usual Apple being both an hardware vendor and giving it's own software advantages that competitors don't have and using the security bogus argument as always. And yet, people believe that crap and jump into defending Apple as if being an Apple user is their identity, sad.
  - ErneX 5mo ago
    But read the article, the EU wants even tighter integration for third parties, so it’s not exactly like Google is out of the woods regarding the DMA and this.

zdragnar 5mo ago

If the options are "launch in the rest of the world quickly and get to the EU later" or "launch everywhere at once years after the competition" PMs and execs are going to choose the latter every time.

rootusrootus 5mo ago
Former, you mean?
- zdragnar 5mo ago
  Yes, indeed, I wasn't paying attention.
  - rootusrootus 5mo ago
    I figured, just wanted to verify, because while the former seems like the obvious answer, it could be argued with a straight face that Apple's strategy is in fact the latter. Or something like it.
yxhuvud 5mo ago
The third option is: launch in a way that is compliant with EU rules everywhere. Except they don't want that as they want to retain their outsized market power.
- tzs 5mo ago
  That's not a third option. It is the second option they listed.

yandie 5mo ago

Appples architecture prevents them from seeing customers data (see Private Cloud Compute documentation). Data that Gemini Assistant (not referring to the distilled version Apple uses) see goes straight to Google. Big difference here. Weird to say it but the only assistant with any guarantee for privacy by design is Siri at the moment.

NitpickLawyer 5mo ago
> Data that Gemini see goes straight to Google. That's not how the deal was announced. You don't pay Bs / year for a licence to gemini to send them your data. You pay that to run it on your own hardware, in your own garden, so the data stays put. I know the internet is always anti big companies, but this is likely a "not worth it for now, we'll eventually do it" effort from Apple. The EU AI act is a mess, and the effort to simply know what they have to do to comply with it is likely going to take armies of people (not devs) and a lot of time, as the OOP said. And the saddest part about it, is that Apple has the money and resources to sink into this. Think about all the small players that don't. This is yet again a miss for the commission, with the end result being an insidious form of regulatory capture. It sucks for those of us running small companies. Oh well.
- yandie 5mo ago
  I was referring to Google Gemini AI (their branding is horrible) - Google can see ALL of your interactions with their services - that's not what Apple gets to see https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/ https://security.apple.com/blog/private-cloud-compute/
epolanski 5mo ago
What is the source of this claim that this is the reason?
- yandie 5mo ago
  https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/ https://security.apple.com/blog/expanding-pcc/ The code is open source: https://github.com/apple/security-pcc https://github.com/apple/security-pcc

dktp 5mo ago

That's not fully true. Lots of things get to Europe later (Gemini memories, though we have them now, Spark as latest noteworthy) Or never. Like the majority of Pixel 10 on device AI features (image editing, magic cue).

krzyk 5mo ago
Some features don't land in Europe because US companies can't handle the amount of languages. For them it is English and maybe Spanish or Chinese because they don't care how heybmake money.
- epolanski 5mo ago
  Nonsense, Google is among the most aggressive when it comes to localization to the point of being oblivious. I have not been able to switch language in Sheets since 2018, and I've changed any possible setting (even account language). All guides are in English and I'm stuck with Sheets in Italian.
microtonal 5mo ago
I have the AI image editing features on Pixel in Europe.

ErneX 5mo ago

Are you sure about that? https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/google-open-android-to-other-ai-services-beyond-gemini-eu-126042900721_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/technology/tech-news/googl...

epolanski 5mo ago
100%, it's been almost 2 years that you can choose whatever you want.[1] I run Perplexity in place of Gemini, but I can also run Claude and others. [1] https://i.imgur.com/BgvxqQQ.png https://i.imgur.com/BgvxqQQ.png Apple is just being the usual Apple being both an hardware vendor and giving it's own software advantages that competitors don't have and using the security bogus argument as always. And yet, people believe that crap and jump into defending Apple as if being an Apple user is their identity, sad.
- ErneX 5mo ago
  But read the article, the EU wants even tighter integration for third parties, so it’s not exactly like Google is out of the woods regarding the DMA and this.