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Wow that second link makes for some seriously entertaining reading. Recommended for anyone who hasn't seen an industry standards body forum before. Warning: It

• magicalist 14y ago
  It was a really poor showing, and not at all productive. Keep in mind, though, that the mailing lists for the SVG and CSS working groups are open to the public, so while it was bound to get contentious, the completely unhelpful flaming was not coming from an actual member of those groups (at least not at the start). If anyone is interested in participating in these kinds of discussions, please keep in mind that reenacting your own take on Eternal September is not helpful in any way. Acclimatize. Entrenchment and flame wars only gets us html5 <video> and EcmaScript 4.