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I hope all the Obama supporters here still feel good about helping re-elect the man. Rest assured he is still going to support amnesty for unskilled illegals w
by dmk23 14y ago
I hope all the Obama supporters here still feel good about helping re-elect the man.
Rest assured he is still going to support amnesty for unskilled illegals who are more likely to vote Democrat for years to come.
EDIT: It is pretty funny how the downvoters fail to acknowledge the basic facts about the politics of the issue and instead fall for the Administration's excuses and rush to condemn "conspiracy theories". There are no theories here, just basic facts.
- hack_edu 14y agoChill out. This has nothing to do with skilled/unskilled, illegal/legal. Its about reform for all of immigration policy, not just those who can already make a living for themselves anywhere. Plus, and I hate to say it, but there's very clearly much greater need (not demand, need) for the sorts of jobs 'unskilled illegals' end up doing than the high-skill (read: class) jobs that this piece of legislation addresses. And stop this immigrants-voting-schtick conspiracy theory. The impact their inclusion would make would doubtly even be within the margin of error. People have much better things to do.
- jdminhbg 14y ago> (not demand, need) Wow.
- hack_edu 14y agoSorry but there is a difference between the two out there in the real world.
- ekm2 14y agoRight,the american economy is in danger of tanking if the country does not hire more janitors.Science and Engineering phds can look after themselves elsewhere,Canada maybe?
- seldo 14y agoIf you kicked out all of the undocumented workers currently working in the US tomorrow, I can absolutely guarantee you that the American economy would immediately collapse. You need more of both.
- commandar 14y agoCalifornia's -- in particular -- argicultural economy is highly reliant on unskilled, migrant workers. Producing food for people to eat is somewhat important.
- muhfuhkuh 14y agoI would daresay more important than, for example, another social networking mobile app. Not that there's anything wrong with another app, but I'd rather eat.
- pandaman 14y agoWisconsin produces half as much food as California[1] with 50 times fewer illegal immigrants[2]. I won't vouch for that site's data but having lived in both states I don't see any reason to distrust these particular numbers. [1]http://www.statemaster.com/graph/ind_foo_man_tot_val_of_shi-food-manufacturing-total-value-shipments http://www.statemaster.com/graph/ind_foo_man_tot_val_of_shi-... [2]http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-peop...
- commandar 14y agoThis is a complete WAG, but if I were to take a stab in the dark, I suspect the makeup of Wisconsin's agriculture industry is rather different than California's. It looks like Wisconsin's industry is geared largely toward livestock and dairy, with fruit and vegetable crops largely composed of things like cranberries, corn, and potatoes: http://www.aae.wisc.edu/pubs/status/docs/status2012.pdf http://www.aae.wisc.edu/pubs/status/docs/status2012.pdf California, on the other hand, apparently produces "nearly half of US-grown fruits, nuts and vegetables." http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/statistics/ http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/statistics/ It's my understanding that migrant workers in CA are largely employed picking fruits, vegetables, etc. Again, I'm by no means speaking authoritatively here, but there's certainly more to this than simply comparing the dollar-value of each state's combined agricultural output.
- ibarrac 14y agoI disagree. There is a larger need for skilled workers: that's why they command much higher wages. I think dmk23 is right. Since Obama got elected there seems to be a higher rate of denials for H1B applications and renewals, without clear guidelines why. Looks like pressure from above. See http://www.indianexpress.com/news/obama-warned-over-h1b-visa-denials/913370 http://www.indianexpress.com/news/obama-warned-over-h1b-visa... It does seem like Obama favors unskilled immigration (amnesty for illegals and the like) over skilled immigration, which I think frankly, is stupid and short-sighted, pandering to his increasingly powerful latino (mostly Mexican-American) voters.
- msgilligan 14y agoThe immigrants-voting-schtick ain't no conspiracy theory. It's simple demographics (~10million x ~70% ~= net +4 million votes for the Democrats). I'm pro-amnesty, but ignoring the obvious electoral effect and the partisan interests around it is just not thinking clearly.
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- yardie 14y agoThe bill presented is crap. That is a fact.