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I don't think you've thought through what you're trying to assert. A god could make you believe anything they wanted to about the earth. So if you cannot disp

I don't think you've thought through what you're trying to assert. A god could make you believe anything they wanted to about the earth. So if you cannot disprove a god, then you cannot disprove the theory that the earth is flat.

detourdog 4mo ago
I’m not sure you thought this through. Why would G-d want to or care to make one have thoughts.
- DiggyJohnson 4mo ago
  why are you censoring the word 'God'?
  - Ancapistani 4mo ago
    It's common in many religious communities to not write the name of God out. I think it likely comes from the Jewish tradition.
    - detourdog 4mo ago
      The idea of not naming G-d is based on the concept of being human comprehension and not within realm of human language. G-d can name things in our world but it’s a one way street. For humans it’s presumptions to assign a name to G-d. it implies an understanding that can’t exist.
virgilp 4mo ago
You can still believe that the scientific method works; and might leads you to 2 conclusions: (a) "I can prove earth is not flat" (using this methodology) (b) I cannot prove there is no God, though I may believe the prevalence of evidence does not support the hypothesis, there's no scientific test that I can design.
- graemep 4mo ago
  The scientific method is partly inspired by belief in a God who is good (so no deceit) and created a universe that runs on laws. If you have particular beliefs about God, you can build a lot on that (as Descartes did).
Forgeties79 4mo ago
Just because you think I am wrong does not mean I have failed to think through the various components/implications of my statement. I can disprove that the Earth is flat with the incredibly varied, concrete, observable evidence that it is not. It comes in many forms and is undeniable, hence the lengths flat earthers have to go to to “prove” the evidence is all just a collection of lies that serve some nebulous, nefarious purpose (they don’t even agree on what that is) that serves some faceless evil group they prop up (usually “the deep state” or Jewish people). On the other hand, I do not have concrete, observable evidence that God does not exist. That’s the thrust of my point.
- hnfong 4mo ago
  GP's argument is essentially this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon Perhaps you might think this is bullshit because *obviously* this world is real and not an illusion and there is *obviously* no evil demon to deceive us into thinking the Earth is spherical instead of flat. And yes this is what philosophers do. Nobody here is arguing that such demon exists and is actually deceiving us, but since you've accepted you can't prove god doesn't exist (maybe mis-step for you since you're probably not the philosopher type), well, can you prove such demon doesn't exist? Seems to me the same thing.
  - Forgeties79 4mo ago
    This is an incredibly patronizing and just generally annoying comment.
    - theshackleford 4mo ago
      Sounds like a you problem. I didn’t find it to be either.
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hnfong 4mo ago
Don't know why you're downvoted so much, but your observation is spot on. This is essentially Descartes evil demon issue. If you can't disprove that an evil demon (with god-level powers) is deceiving you at everything you perceive, then how are you going to be sure about anything? (including that the Earth is not flat?) It has always been a difficult philosophical issue about how much we can trust reality itself.
- Forgeties79 4mo ago
  That’s an interesting big picture philosophical question with big picture implications, but it’s not really what we are talking about here. We are confirming the things we can about our shared reality, not questioning its very nature.

detourdog 4mo ago

I’m not sure you thought this through. Why would G-d want to or care to make one have thoughts.

DiggyJohnson 4mo ago
why are you censoring the word 'God'?
- Ancapistani 4mo ago
  It's common in many religious communities to not write the name of God out. I think it likely comes from the Jewish tradition.
  - detourdog 4mo ago
    The idea of not naming G-d is based on the concept of being human comprehension and not within realm of human language. G-d can name things in our world but it’s a one way street. For humans it’s presumptions to assign a name to G-d. it implies an understanding that can’t exist.

virgilp 4mo ago

You can still believe that the scientific method works; and might leads you to 2 conclusions: (a) "I can prove earth is not flat" (using this methodology) (b) I cannot prove there is no God, though I may believe the prevalence of evidence does not support the hypothesis, there's no scientific test that I can design.

graemep 4mo ago
The scientific method is partly inspired by belief in a God who is good (so no deceit) and created a universe that runs on laws. If you have particular beliefs about God, you can build a lot on that (as Descartes did).

Forgeties79 4mo ago

Just because you think I am wrong does not mean I have failed to think through the various components/implications of my statement. I can disprove that the Earth is flat with the incredibly varied, concrete, observable evidence that it is not. It comes in many forms and is undeniable, hence the lengths flat earthers have to go to to “prove” the evidence is all just a collection of lies that serve some nebulous, nefarious purpose (they don’t even agree on what that is) that serves some faceless evil group they prop up (usually “the deep state” or Jewish people). On the other hand, I do not have concrete, observable evidence that God does not exist. That’s the thrust of my point.

hnfong 4mo ago
GP's argument is essentially this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_demon Perhaps you might think this is bullshit because *obviously* this world is real and not an illusion and there is *obviously* no evil demon to deceive us into thinking the Earth is spherical instead of flat. And yes this is what philosophers do. Nobody here is arguing that such demon exists and is actually deceiving us, but since you've accepted you can't prove god doesn't exist (maybe mis-step for you since you're probably not the philosopher type), well, can you prove such demon doesn't exist? Seems to me the same thing.
- Forgeties79 4mo ago
  This is an incredibly patronizing and just generally annoying comment.
  - theshackleford 4mo ago
    Sounds like a you problem. I didn’t find it to be either.
    - deleted 4mo ago
      [deleted]

hnfong 4mo ago

Don't know why you're downvoted so much, but your observation is spot on. This is essentially Descartes evil demon issue. If you can't disprove that an evil demon (with god-level powers) is deceiving you at everything you perceive, then how are you going to be sure about anything? (including that the Earth is not flat?) It has always been a difficult philosophical issue about how much we can trust reality itself.

Forgeties79 4mo ago
That’s an interesting big picture philosophical question with big picture implications, but it’s not really what we are talking about here. We are confirming the things we can about our shared reality, not questioning its very nature.