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What if Germany had invested in nuclear power? (2024)

5 points by leonidasrup 4mo ago

GuestFAUniverse 4mo ago
https://www.isi.fraunhofer.de/de/blog/2024/kritische-stellungnahme-kernkraft-deutschland-emblemsvag.html https://www.isi.fraunhofer.de/de/blog/2024/kritische-stellun... It's in German. The main critic is that Jan Emblemsvåg counts the subsidies for renewables into his cash-flow-analysis but doesn't do that for nuclear. Nuclear was heavily subsidized in Germany. Read it for yourself. Come to your own conclusion. For me that's boring. I'm not surprised the pro nuclear agenda is pushed (again).
- leonidasrup 4mo ago
  Response from original paper author: Jan Emblemsvåg https://doi.org/10.1080/14786451.2026.2668864 https://doi.org/10.1080/14786451.2026.2668864 "The study ‘What if Germany had invested in nuclear power? A comparison between the German energy policy over the last 20 years and an alternative policy of investing in nuclear power’ published earlier in this journal, received sharp criticism from Fraunhofer ISI concerning the calculation of the expenditures of the Energiewende amongst others. Here, the author will provide evidence that the risk of double-counting was acknowledged, minimised to the extent possible, and that it is well within acceptable levels of accuracy for approximate studies. Most importantly, the conclusion that an alternative policy of investing in nuclear power for Germany would have provided a better overall result irrefutably stands. Indeed, to the extent the aforementioned study can be criticised, it should be for excessive conservatism."
lysace 4mo ago
Connect the dots. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jun/15/johnhooper https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jun/15/johnhooper (2000) Chancellor Gerhard Schröder was last night within sight of an historic deal to shut down Germany's nuclear energy industry - the fourth largest in the world. https://atomicinsights.com/gazprom-profiting-mightily-from-german-nuclear-exit/ https://atomicinsights.com/gazprom-profiting-mightily-from-g... (2011) Gazprom profiting mightily from German nuclear exit https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/world/europe/schroder-germany-russia-gas-ukraine-war-energy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/world/europe/schroder-ger... (2022) The Former Chancellor Who Became Putin’s Man in Germany Gerhard Schröder, who is paid almost $1 million a year by Russian-controlled energy companies, has become a pariah.
- leonidasrup 4mo ago
  One could also see the gradual increase in dependence on Russian gas as part in long term preparations for War in Ukraine.
  - lysace 4mo ago
    Would the full-scale invasion even have happened without this groundwork? I doubt it.

5 points by leonidasrup 4mo ago

https://www.isi.fraunhofer.de/de/blog/2024/kritische-stellungnahme-kernkraft-deutschland-emblemsvag.html https://www.isi.fraunhofer.de/de/blog/2024/kritische-stellun... It's in German. The main critic is that Jan Emblemsvåg counts the subsidies for renewables into his cash-flow-analysis but doesn't do that for nuclear. Nuclear was heavily subsidized in Germany. Read it for yourself. Come to your own conclusion. For me that's boring. I'm not surprised the pro nuclear agenda is pushed (again).

leonidasrup 4mo ago
Response from original paper author: Jan Emblemsvåg https://doi.org/10.1080/14786451.2026.2668864 https://doi.org/10.1080/14786451.2026.2668864 "The study ‘What if Germany had invested in nuclear power? A comparison between the German energy policy over the last 20 years and an alternative policy of investing in nuclear power’ published earlier in this journal, received sharp criticism from Fraunhofer ISI concerning the calculation of the expenditures of the Energiewende amongst others. Here, the author will provide evidence that the risk of double-counting was acknowledged, minimised to the extent possible, and that it is well within acceptable levels of accuracy for approximate studies. Most importantly, the conclusion that an alternative policy of investing in nuclear power for Germany would have provided a better overall result irrefutably stands. Indeed, to the extent the aforementioned study can be criticised, it should be for excessive conservatism."

lysace 4mo ago

Connect the dots. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jun/15/johnhooper https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jun/15/johnhooper (2000) Chancellor Gerhard Schröder was last night within sight of an historic deal to shut down Germany's nuclear energy industry - the fourth largest in the world. https://atomicinsights.com/gazprom-profiting-mightily-from-german-nuclear-exit/ https://atomicinsights.com/gazprom-profiting-mightily-from-g... (2011) Gazprom profiting mightily from German nuclear exit https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/world/europe/schroder-germany-russia-gas-ukraine-war-energy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/23/world/europe/schroder-ger... (2022) The Former Chancellor Who Became Putin’s Man in Germany Gerhard Schröder, who is paid almost $1 million a year by Russian-controlled energy companies, has become a pariah.

leonidasrup 4mo ago
One could also see the gradual increase in dependence on Russian gas as part in long term preparations for War in Ukraine.
- lysace 4mo ago
  Would the full-scale invasion even have happened without this groundwork? I doubt it.