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Maybe I'm a Calvinist. I'm definitely happier in the Netherlands. My general experience was that Irish laws existed mostly for show and if you followed them you

Maybe I'm a Calvinist. I'm definitely happier in the Netherlands. My general experience was that Irish laws existed mostly for show and if you followed them you were a chump. Unless you wanted to smoke a joint now and then, of course. Ireland supposedly cares about nature too, but you can still buy truckloads of turf off the side of the road in Offaly. Good luck getting those rules enforced. When we still lived in Dublin I got pretty tired of having to push my baby in her pram in the street because the pavements (sidewalks) were completely covered in cars, even in the city centre trying to get to the YMCA creche. Our experience wasn't limited to "victimless" crimes though. I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land where there's kids or sheep then authoritarianism is called for. It really is a place where crime is legal.

Bewelge 4mo ago
You may have a point but you're discrediting yourself by using extreme hyperbole. Authoritarianism would be you and your family getting picked up and interrogated sometime at night for this critical comment you just made. And saying "crime is legal" when referring to cars parked on the sidewalk or you having had a bad experience with a neighbours dog? I think if you reflect a little you'd realise that these are the kind of "crimes" you probably have committed yourself countless times.
- CalRobert 4mo ago
  I’ve never let dogs with a history of killing livestock on to my neighbours’ land where kids are playing. But regardless, I’m much happier since leaving.
  - Bewelge 4mo ago
    I don't want to discount your experience or judge that particular event. I just disagree with calling for authoritarianism in response to that. Happy that you are happier :) I'm German, so in general I find it refreshing when people manage to live peacefully with each other without having a rule for every single thing. Obviously a dog endangering children is not such a case.
    - iluvcommunism 4mo ago
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- Pay08 4mo ago
  The dog thing specifically was very heavily policed in the part of Spain I used to live in. It being unenforced would be unheard of.
- kakacik 4mo ago
  Thats some mighty hyperbole, not everybody is breaking some minor (or not so minor) laws 50x a day. Or a year. Societies where there is high amount of respect towards each other and rules tend to perform much better over long time, ie Switzerland. Its a pleasure to live in such society especially when coming from more messy ones, triple that with small kids.
  - skinfaxi 4mo ago
    > Thats some mighty hyperbole, not everybody is breaking some minor (or not so minor) laws 50x a day. Or a year. How do you know? Do you know of all of the protected species of bug in your country for instance? In my town there are laws about using profanity in public. I'm sure they would be deemed illegal if charges were brought but the law is still on the books.
teleforce 4mo ago
Last year I was in a Samsung shop when one couple remarked to me that it was the second time they came to buy the same phone for the wife in a month. Then naturally I asked for the reason why, I thought they like it so much to buy a second one. Apparently the couple just recently come back from a trip in Ireland and lost the new Samsung phone there. Someone has stolen the wife's baggage from the bus when it's doing the routine transit stop by the bus stop while opening the bus baggage conpartment. By the time they realised the thief already going away from the bus with the baggage with the new Samsung phone inside it. They reported to the police but nothing happened. In UAE, Singapore or Japan this type of crime is just not worth it since the petty thief will be punished severely. A lady can incidently left her Louis Vuitton bag inside a restaurant in Dubai, left it at her seat, then after a few hours come back to fetch the bag without losing anything inside.
- jamespo 4mo ago
  what happens if you criticise the government in these safe countries?
  - Hnrobert42 4mo ago
    Generally nothing. In Singapore, there are some risks.
    - throwaway2037 4mo ago
      Nothing in UAE? I call bullshit.
    - skinfaxi 4mo ago
      > As of March 2023, Emirati authorities continued to incarcerate with no legal basis at least 51 Emirati prisoners who completed their sentences between 1 month and nearly 4 years ago. The prisoners are all part of the grossly unfair “UAE94” mass trial of 69 government critics, whose convictions violated their rights to free expression, assembly, and association. UAE authorities used baseless counterterrorism justifications to continue holding them past their completed sentences. Some prisoners completed their sentences as early as July 2019. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/united-arab-emirates https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/unite... https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/10/uae-reporters-un-climate-talks-00126584 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/10/uae-reporters-un-cl...
_heimdall 4mo ago
> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land where there's kids or sheep then authoritarianism is called for. It doesn't have to require authoritarianism to keep the peace. It also doesn't seem like it could only be solved by an authority. If there's a dangerous dog on your property, shoot it if you can't get it to leave and fear for the safety of your kids or sheep.
- CalRobert 4mo ago
  That's great until the retaliation.
  - _heimdall 4mo ago
    Sure, every action has reactions. I'm not saying the first response should be to shoot the dog in such a scenario, it should be the last resort least of all because it wasn't the dog creating the situation. It and to be handled though. Yes, there may be retaliation for shooting the dog but there may be retaliation for calling the cops as well. All you can do is deal with the situation at hand, there is no magic bullet authority or otherwise.
- iluvcommunism 4mo ago
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Tade0 4mo ago
> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land I know too little about this specific situation, but did the neighbour not stop despite being asked to? I haven't been to Ireland or the Netherlands (aside from driving through of course), but from what I've heard I would not like it in the latter. Nature appears to be scarce there, as for some reason the Dutch insist on being an agricultural superpower despite the population density.
- liminvorous 4mo ago
  The reason is roughly that there were devastating food shortages in the world wars, and avoiding that happening again has been an important force in Dutch politics since.
  - Tade0 4mo ago
    Oooh shit, now it all makes perfect sense. Thank you!
- CalRobert 4mo ago
  The neighbour screamed at me never to talk to her or her kids.
CGMthrowaway 4mo ago
> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land where there's kids or sheep then authoritarianism is called for. You jumped straight to authoritarianism? How about trying self-defense? Boy you really are a Calvinist
- forlorn_mammoth 4mo ago
  The guy who carries a pistol and shoots the neighbor's dogs in self defense, I would expect that guy to face some social consequences and he'd be lucky if it was just the police. Hobbes. we create the Leviathan so we don't have to constantly act in self defense. The alternative was cold, brutish, and short.
- some_random 4mo ago
  Europeans largely do not believe in the right to self defense
pstuart 4mo ago
> authoritarianism is called for Maybe it's a language thing, but authoritarianism is never called for. Rule of law that is just and enforced fairly is what is called for.

Bewelge 4mo ago

You may have a point but you're discrediting yourself by using extreme hyperbole. Authoritarianism would be you and your family getting picked up and interrogated sometime at night for this critical comment you just made. And saying "crime is legal" when referring to cars parked on the sidewalk or you having had a bad experience with a neighbours dog? I think if you reflect a little you'd realise that these are the kind of "crimes" you probably have committed yourself countless times.

CalRobert 4mo ago
I’ve never let dogs with a history of killing livestock on to my neighbours’ land where kids are playing. But regardless, I’m much happier since leaving.
- Bewelge 4mo ago
  I don't want to discount your experience or judge that particular event. I just disagree with calling for authoritarianism in response to that. Happy that you are happier :) I'm German, so in general I find it refreshing when people manage to live peacefully with each other without having a rule for every single thing. Obviously a dog endangering children is not such a case.
  - iluvcommunism 4mo ago
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Pay08 4mo ago
The dog thing specifically was very heavily policed in the part of Spain I used to live in. It being unenforced would be unheard of.
kakacik 4mo ago
Thats some mighty hyperbole, not everybody is breaking some minor (or not so minor) laws 50x a day. Or a year. Societies where there is high amount of respect towards each other and rules tend to perform much better over long time, ie Switzerland. Its a pleasure to live in such society especially when coming from more messy ones, triple that with small kids.
- skinfaxi 4mo ago
  > Thats some mighty hyperbole, not everybody is breaking some minor (or not so minor) laws 50x a day. Or a year. How do you know? Do you know of all of the protected species of bug in your country for instance? In my town there are laws about using profanity in public. I'm sure they would be deemed illegal if charges were brought but the law is still on the books.

teleforce 4mo ago

Last year I was in a Samsung shop when one couple remarked to me that it was the second time they came to buy the same phone for the wife in a month. Then naturally I asked for the reason why, I thought they like it so much to buy a second one. Apparently the couple just recently come back from a trip in Ireland and lost the new Samsung phone there. Someone has stolen the wife's baggage from the bus when it's doing the routine transit stop by the bus stop while opening the bus baggage conpartment. By the time they realised the thief already going away from the bus with the baggage with the new Samsung phone inside it. They reported to the police but nothing happened. In UAE, Singapore or Japan this type of crime is just not worth it since the petty thief will be punished severely. A lady can incidently left her Louis Vuitton bag inside a restaurant in Dubai, left it at her seat, then after a few hours come back to fetch the bag without losing anything inside.

jamespo 4mo ago
what happens if you criticise the government in these safe countries?
- Hnrobert42 4mo ago
  Generally nothing. In Singapore, there are some risks.
  - throwaway2037 4mo ago
    Nothing in UAE? I call bullshit.
  - skinfaxi 4mo ago
    > As of March 2023, Emirati authorities continued to incarcerate with no legal basis at least 51 Emirati prisoners who completed their sentences between 1 month and nearly 4 years ago. The prisoners are all part of the grossly unfair “UAE94” mass trial of 69 government critics, whose convictions violated their rights to free expression, assembly, and association. UAE authorities used baseless counterterrorism justifications to continue holding them past their completed sentences. Some prisoners completed their sentences as early as July 2019. https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/united-arab-emirates https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/unite... https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/10/uae-reporters-un-climate-talks-00126584 https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/10/uae-reporters-un-cl...

_heimdall 4mo ago

> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land where there's kids or sheep then authoritarianism is called for. It doesn't have to require authoritarianism to keep the peace. It also doesn't seem like it could only be solved by an authority. If there's a dangerous dog on your property, shoot it if you can't get it to leave and fear for the safety of your kids or sheep.

CalRobert 4mo ago
That's great until the retaliation.
- _heimdall 4mo ago
  Sure, every action has reactions. I'm not saying the first response should be to shoot the dog in such a scenario, it should be the last resort least of all because it wasn't the dog creating the situation. It and to be handled though. Yes, there may be retaliation for shooting the dog but there may be retaliation for calling the cops as well. All you can do is deal with the situation at hand, there is no magic bullet authority or otherwise.
iluvcommunism 4mo ago
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Tade0 4mo ago

> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land I know too little about this specific situation, but did the neighbour not stop despite being asked to? I haven't been to Ireland or the Netherlands (aside from driving through of course), but from what I've heard I would not like it in the latter. Nature appears to be scarce there, as for some reason the Dutch insist on being an agricultural superpower despite the population density.

liminvorous 4mo ago
The reason is roughly that there were devastating food shortages in the world wars, and avoiding that happening again has been an important force in Dutch politics since.
- Tade0 4mo ago
  Oooh shit, now it all makes perfect sense. Thank you!
CalRobert 4mo ago
The neighbour screamed at me never to talk to her or her kids.

CGMthrowaway 4mo ago

> I think when you're threatening your neighbours and letting dangerous dogs loose on other people's land where there's kids or sheep then authoritarianism is called for. You jumped straight to authoritarianism? How about trying self-defense? Boy you really are a Calvinist

forlorn_mammoth 4mo ago
The guy who carries a pistol and shoots the neighbor's dogs in self defense, I would expect that guy to face some social consequences and he'd be lucky if it was just the police. Hobbes. we create the Leviathan so we don't have to constantly act in self defense. The alternative was cold, brutish, and short.
some_random 4mo ago
Europeans largely do not believe in the right to self defense

pstuart 4mo ago

> authoritarianism is called for Maybe it's a language thing, but authoritarianism is never called for. Rule of law that is just and enforced fairly is what is called for.