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My sister was a schoolteacher in Alaska. They pay a premium, but it’s still not a life that most Americans are cut out for, including me. That means the schools

My sister was a schoolteacher in Alaska. They pay a premium, but it’s still not a life that most Americans are cut out for, including me. That means the schools have to choose between giving these kids subpar teachers who are happy to live up there, or miserable teachers who are only doing it for the money. Or, we can hire foreign teachers who are qualified AND are happy to teach up there.

BoingBoomTschak 4mo ago
> foreign teachers who are qualified AND are happy to teach up there But are they? Or are they just willing and here for the money and foot in the immigration door? Sincere question, though I have negative views of the whole H1B thing in general (not a US national, though).
- sinuhe69 4mo ago
  If you care, you certainly can find a lot of information about it nowadays. Of course, whether you want to believe it is another question. https://youtu.be/FSmtbSYE8pg https://youtu.be/FSmtbSYE8pg
  - pseudalopex 4mo ago
    You thought this video proved what?
- Starman_Jones 4mo ago
  At a general level, it is a simple fact that there are more qualified/happy candidates globally than there are just in the United States. For the second part, no, I assume that money/opportunity are WHY they’re happy to teach up there. If that’s the motivation that keeps qualified teachers from turning to alcoholism or suicide, that’s a good thing for the kids.
sidewndr46 4mo ago
They pay a premium or the state pays tax dollars to all residents as a premium?
snozolli 4mo ago
the schools have to choose between giving these kids subpar teachers who are happy to live up there, or miserable teachers who are only doing it for the money. 1) Why is that the dichotomy? 2) Do you say the same thing about well-paid oilfield workers living in RVs, away from their families and social networks? 3) Do you think the foreign workers are happy to be in Alaska for the sake of the Alaskan experience? For some reason, people are convinced that teacher salaries have to be suppressed, lest the "wrong people" take the jobs. As if stressing about making rent is a critical signal of virtue, exclusively for teaching.
- Starman_Jones 4mo ago
  1) because there aren’t enough teachers in-state + coming out of the lower 48 to meet demand. 2) Pay alone can’t make people happy, which is why there’s a very high alcoholism/suicide rate among oil workers, despite it typically being a more temporary gig than teaching and paying considerably more. I also hold teachers to a different standard for on-the-job demeanor than oil workers. 3) Per my brother in law, they’re happy to be in Alaska for the American experience. 4) Foreign teachers in Alaska aren’t suppressing wages. That would be true for free market jobs where schools can simply decide not to teach students if it’s not profitable, but teaching isn’t like that.
  - snozolli 4mo ago
    1) Because of the low wages. 2) Pay attracts workers. "Happiness" is a separate and personal issue. 3) Anecdata. 4) The fact is that far higher wages would attract American teachers for short periods. It is a free market, until exploitable labor is introduced. Foreign teachers absolutely are suppressing wages, as evidenced by the fact that the wages aren't high enough to attract American teachers.
BobaFloutist 4mo ago
Same issue as rural doctors, to be honest. It's hard to pay an American with a medical degree enough to live and work in that environment, so if we want to keep rural hospitals (and independent practices) staffed, we need to allow immigrants to do the work. The alternative isn't that rural communities get doctors born in the US, it's that they get no doctors.
- m463 4mo ago
  I thought the medical board could assign doctors to locations. (But I don't know how it really works, maybe it was residency only?)

BoingBoomTschak 4mo ago

> foreign teachers who are qualified AND are happy to teach up there But are they? Or are they just willing and here for the money and foot in the immigration door? Sincere question, though I have negative views of the whole H1B thing in general (not a US national, though).

sinuhe69 4mo ago
If you care, you certainly can find a lot of information about it nowadays. Of course, whether you want to believe it is another question. https://youtu.be/FSmtbSYE8pg https://youtu.be/FSmtbSYE8pg
- pseudalopex 4mo ago
  You thought this video proved what?
Starman_Jones 4mo ago
At a general level, it is a simple fact that there are more qualified/happy candidates globally than there are just in the United States. For the second part, no, I assume that money/opportunity are WHY they’re happy to teach up there. If that’s the motivation that keeps qualified teachers from turning to alcoholism or suicide, that’s a good thing for the kids.

sidewndr46 4mo ago

They pay a premium or the state pays tax dollars to all residents as a premium?

snozolli 4mo ago

the schools have to choose between giving these kids subpar teachers who are happy to live up there, or miserable teachers who are only doing it for the money. 1) Why is that the dichotomy? 2) Do you say the same thing about well-paid oilfield workers living in RVs, away from their families and social networks? 3) Do you think the foreign workers are happy to be in Alaska for the sake of the Alaskan experience? For some reason, people are convinced that teacher salaries have to be suppressed, lest the "wrong people" take the jobs. As if stressing about making rent is a critical signal of virtue, exclusively for teaching.

Starman_Jones 4mo ago
1) because there aren’t enough teachers in-state + coming out of the lower 48 to meet demand. 2) Pay alone can’t make people happy, which is why there’s a very high alcoholism/suicide rate among oil workers, despite it typically being a more temporary gig than teaching and paying considerably more. I also hold teachers to a different standard for on-the-job demeanor than oil workers. 3) Per my brother in law, they’re happy to be in Alaska for the American experience. 4) Foreign teachers in Alaska aren’t suppressing wages. That would be true for free market jobs where schools can simply decide not to teach students if it’s not profitable, but teaching isn’t like that.
- snozolli 4mo ago
  1) Because of the low wages. 2) Pay attracts workers. "Happiness" is a separate and personal issue. 3) Anecdata. 4) The fact is that far higher wages would attract American teachers for short periods. It is a free market, until exploitable labor is introduced. Foreign teachers absolutely are suppressing wages, as evidenced by the fact that the wages aren't high enough to attract American teachers.

BobaFloutist 4mo ago

Same issue as rural doctors, to be honest. It's hard to pay an American with a medical degree enough to live and work in that environment, so if we want to keep rural hospitals (and independent practices) staffed, we need to allow immigrants to do the work. The alternative isn't that rural communities get doctors born in the US, it's that they get no doctors.

m463 4mo ago
I thought the medical board could assign doctors to locations. (But I don't know how it really works, maybe it was residency only?)