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So here's the thing. I am not generally an angry person. But Ed's writing really resonates with me, because for the last four years these people have been makin

So here's the thing. I am not generally an angry person. But Ed's writing really resonates with me, because for the last four years these people have been making a strategy of scaring the shit out of us while trying to ruin something I genuinely love (coding), while simultaneously fucking up the economy and multiple industries and turning the internet into slop. I very badly want more people to call these guys "chucklefucks" or whatever innovative ways he comes up with to insult them because they deserve far more public ridicule and disdain than the (captured, useless) media is giving them. So far the data for productivity in coding is.. sus. The productivity gains outside of toy projects are mostly anecdotal and it's hard to tell if those accounts are even real humans or just astroturfing and bots. Almost every programmer I know personally has a pretty measured opinion on where these things are useful and where they're not. The breathless hype seems mostly from non coders.

hzhzhzha 4mo ago
I want to be one data point seeing as this goes uncontested (the ones in the know don’t care anymore to be honest). They are not only useful it is obvious they are. If you don’t see it I really, really don’t know what to tell you. You can tell yourself I am bot or shill or whatever if that helps you sleep but .. just trying to help out another dev here. Wake the F up.
- latexr 4mo ago
  > it is obvious they are. If you don’t see it I really, really don’t know what to tell you. (…) just trying to help out another dev here. Wake the F up. Your whole post is dismissive and insulting and has zero arguments. No one is helped by that, no one is going to change their mind with that, you’re only making the divide more pronounced. You’re being actively unhelpful. > You can tell yourself I am bot or shill or whatever I mean, your account was obviously created specifically to post that comment…
- cyclopeanutopia 4mo ago
  I'm not sure you understand what "obvious" means.
reasonableklout 4mo ago
> Almost every programmer I know personally has a pretty measured opinion on where these things are useful and where they're not. The breathless hype seems mostly from non coders. We have polar opposite media bubbles. I see OG programmers all over my timeline either grieving the "end of software engineering" (a la Ryan Dahl) or extolling "automatic programming" (a la antirez).
- latexr 4mo ago
  > We have polar opposite media bubbles. I see OG programmers all over my timeline The person you’re replying to, in the bit you quoted, said specifically: > Almost every programmer I know personally People you know personally are not a “media bubble”. They are, to borrow your expression, polar opposites. It’s people you can speak with candidly and trust versus bits of text without the full context.
  - chipsrafferty 4mo ago
    I disagree, people you know are much more likely to have the same exact opinions as you on most things. It's the definition of a bubble.
- Peanuts99 4mo ago
  Ultimately though it's those people's bosses who set the direction and from my experience those people are telling you to your face that you'll be replaced by AI as soon as they're able to do so while they continuously fail to see it's shortcomings.

hzhzhzha 4mo ago

I want to be one data point seeing as this goes uncontested (the ones in the know don’t care anymore to be honest). They are not only useful it is obvious they are. If you don’t see it I really, really don’t know what to tell you. You can tell yourself I am bot or shill or whatever if that helps you sleep but .. just trying to help out another dev here. Wake the F up.

latexr 4mo ago
> it is obvious they are. If you don’t see it I really, really don’t know what to tell you. (…) just trying to help out another dev here. Wake the F up. Your whole post is dismissive and insulting and has zero arguments. No one is helped by that, no one is going to change their mind with that, you’re only making the divide more pronounced. You’re being actively unhelpful. > You can tell yourself I am bot or shill or whatever I mean, your account was obviously created specifically to post that comment…
cyclopeanutopia 4mo ago
I'm not sure you understand what "obvious" means.

reasonableklout 4mo ago

> Almost every programmer I know personally has a pretty measured opinion on where these things are useful and where they're not. The breathless hype seems mostly from non coders. We have polar opposite media bubbles. I see OG programmers all over my timeline either grieving the "end of software engineering" (a la Ryan Dahl) or extolling "automatic programming" (a la antirez).

latexr 4mo ago
> We have polar opposite media bubbles. I see OG programmers all over my timeline The person you’re replying to, in the bit you quoted, said specifically: > Almost every programmer I know personally People you know personally are not a “media bubble”. They are, to borrow your expression, polar opposites. It’s people you can speak with candidly and trust versus bits of text without the full context.
- chipsrafferty 4mo ago
  I disagree, people you know are much more likely to have the same exact opinions as you on most things. It's the definition of a bubble.
Peanuts99 4mo ago
Ultimately though it's those people's bosses who set the direction and from my experience those people are telling you to your face that you'll be replaced by AI as soon as they're able to do so while they continuously fail to see it's shortcomings.