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> strict Spanish regulation for organic produce. Organic labels are a different thing than official regulation though. IMHO organic labels optimize for the wro

> strict Spanish regulation for organic produce. Organic labels are a different thing than official regulation though. IMHO organic labels optimize for the wrong things.

tfourb 4mo ago
There is an official eu organic label. It’s not compulsory of course, but it’s the baseline for organic food production in and for Europe. Other (private) labels have stricter rules and are usually certified in addition to the EU label.
- franciscop 4mo ago
  No, this is definitely an official gvmt body that can fine you if you try to sell fruit as organic that doesn't follow the regulations. It IS definitely compulsory if you mark your produce as organic.
lukan 4mo ago
"IMHO organic labels optimize for the wrong things." What do you mean? I only know of "Demeter", that also has some very esoteric requirements (homeopathy, cosmic energy flow rituals) - but otherwise organic label optimize for: - no or little pesticides and herbicides - more space and better condition for the animals My only other grievance is that they also all ban GMO
- fsflover 4mo ago
  > no or little pesticides and herbicides From Wikipedia: > Pesticides are allowed as long as they are not synthetic.[28] See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451194
  - lukan 4mo ago
    Am aware of that, bug glyphosat is definitely not allowed and likely a result of neighbors spraying plentiful in bad wind conditions (there are strict regulations in theory, that are usually ignored in reality)
- jenadine 4mo ago
  They optimise for natural. So you can still have pesticides and herbicides. If you find your poison in some plant, it is fine. If you synthetize the same molecule in a factory, then it's not allowed. As for the animal welfare, true, but there are also labels specifically for that that.
- culi 4mo ago
  Biodynamic at least requires farms to produce their own fertilizers. For that reason alone I try to buy it. Fertilizer dependency will be the end of us I ignore all the magic stuff (in fact, if you have some spiritual devotion to the food you're growing I think that's just fine)

> strict Spanish regulation for organic produce. Organic labels are a different thing than official regulation though. IMHO organic labels optimize for the wrong things.

tfourb 4mo ago

There is an official eu organic label. It’s not compulsory of course, but it’s the baseline for organic food production in and for Europe. Other (private) labels have stricter rules and are usually certified in addition to the EU label.

franciscop 4mo ago
No, this is definitely an official gvmt body that can fine you if you try to sell fruit as organic that doesn't follow the regulations. It IS definitely compulsory if you mark your produce as organic.

lukan 4mo ago

"IMHO organic labels optimize for the wrong things." What do you mean? I only know of "Demeter", that also has some very esoteric requirements (homeopathy, cosmic energy flow rituals) - but otherwise organic label optimize for: - no or little pesticides and herbicides - more space and better condition for the animals My only other grievance is that they also all ban GMO

fsflover 4mo ago
> no or little pesticides and herbicides From Wikipedia: > Pesticides are allowed as long as they are not synthetic.[28] See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451194 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48451194
- lukan 4mo ago
  Am aware of that, bug glyphosat is definitely not allowed and likely a result of neighbors spraying plentiful in bad wind conditions (there are strict regulations in theory, that are usually ignored in reality)
jenadine 4mo ago
They optimise for natural. So you can still have pesticides and herbicides. If you find your poison in some plant, it is fine. If you synthetize the same molecule in a factory, then it's not allowed. As for the animal welfare, true, but there are also labels specifically for that that.
culi 4mo ago
Biodynamic at least requires farms to produce their own fertilizers. For that reason alone I try to buy it. Fertilizer dependency will be the end of us I ignore all the magic stuff (in fact, if you have some spiritual devotion to the food you're growing I think that's just fine)