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Surprised it wasn't on the homepage yet, my X / LinkedIn feed is non stop about it. I would love to hear from someone who actually played with all the FOMO har

Surprised it wasn't on the homepage yet, my X / LinkedIn feed is non stop about it. I would love to hear from someone who actually played with all the FOMO harnesses / frameworks and actually did a first impression comparison on what to try out (I'm sure it's not even apples to apples) or discovered that it's all marginally better at best from just rolling your own via Claude Code / Codex / Cursor... - paperclip - hermes - pi - opencode - openclaw - nanoclaw - gastown - other FOMO framework I missed (not including skill frameworks such as gbrain etc)

Arubis 4mo ago
Pi and OpenCode are Claude Code-alikes. Hermes and *claw try to be somewhat more autonomous.
chokolad 4mo ago
you can add netclaw to your list
jdiff 4mo ago
OpenCode seemed perfectly workable as a programming assistant. As personal assistants, they all fall short. It's too difficult to really shape their output. I was briefly impressed with OpenClaw a few times, but ultimately was turned off by not being able to get the models to stop being so damnably verbose. I thought I made progress for a while by having it tweak its soul, iterate, switch models, iterate, switch models, fuse the results, iterate... but ultimately it's all forgotten early in each session. And then one day it killed itself by rebuilding the container it was inside. Hermes apparently has some plagiarism issues they're trying to cover up [0] and I was deeply unimpressed with their janky, flickery CLI that force-enables a bulky obnoxious header on every launch. Hermes did readily dive into its own source code and did readily confirm that there was no way to disable it. So that's neat. It constantly (wants to) run from upstream master which is unsettling. Nanoclaw and nanobot seemed fine, but not notably different. There were some common bugs and glitches that caused some minor data loss while configuring nanobot. After that I just deciding to start hacking my own together. What I really want in a harness is being able to actually control and rewrite the entire context window, like Zed's Text Threads before they obnoxiously and inexplicably removed what, to me, was their most powerful and distinguishing feature. [0] https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/10232 https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/10232
- KennyBlanken 4mo ago
  The project in question that is asserting Hermes is copying their ideas: https://github.com/EvoMap/evolver https://github.com/EvoMap/evolver The timeline here is pretty telling and it looks like Hermes basically points their coding agent at evolver and says "reimplement this yourself." A few days later Hermes magically sports a nearly identical feature. https://evomap.ai/blog/hermes-agent-evolver-similarity-analysis https://evomap.ai/blog/hermes-agent-evolver-similarity-analy...
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- jonaustin 4mo ago
  The handling of that issue looks _incredibly_ shady. Not touching this project with a ten foot pole..
hank1931 4mo ago
Check out Eve (https://eve.new https://eve.new). I saw it here on Hacker News after I decided OpenClaw was too raw for me. Eve is amazing. My theory as to why it's so good is that the founders have a strong background in design -- they met getting their masters in design at UC Berkeley. Their secret sauce is the harness they've constructed IMHO. Here is what Zach Dive said in the original HN announcement-- Eve is an AI agent harness that runs in an isolated Linux sandbox (2 vCPUs, 4GB RAM, 10GB disk) with a real filesystem, headless Chromium, code execution, and connectors to 1000+ services. You give it a task and it works in the background until it's done. I built this because I wanted OpenClaw without the self-hosting, pointed at actual day-to-day work. I'm thinking less personal assistant and more helpful colleague. The main interface is a web app where you can watch work happen in real time (agents spawning, files being written, use of the CLI). There's also an iMessage integration so you can fire a task asynchronously, put your phone down, and get a reply when it's finished. Under the hood, there's an orchestrator (Claude Opus 4.6) that routes to the right domain-specific model for each subtask: browsing, coding, research, and media generation. For complex tasks it spins up parallel sub-agents that coordinate through the shared filesystem. They have persistent memory across sessions so context compounds over time. I've packaged it with a bunch of pre-installed skills so it can execute in a variety of job roles (sales, marketing, finance) at runtime.
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  > Check out Eve (https://eve.new https://eve.new). > Continue with Google/Email Seems very different from the other listed options in parent's comment if you need an online account with Eve to even use it.
  - hank1931 4mo ago
    I see your point. The others are self-hosted, and you bring your own key. Personally, I like the convenience Eve's online account provides. It's dead simple to be up and off to the races, getting useful work done with little effort. After struggling with OpenClaw, it has been a very pleasant experience. Several people in our company are using it now.
throwaway67678 4mo ago
Hermes is more general purpose, like openclaw. Pi and opencode are more specific to coding. Hermes accomodates other coding agents pretty well and has in fact bundled skills for claude code and codex (for spawning subagents, delegating, etc.). They are not exclusive I haven't tried these 'agent fleet' frameworks in depth and am not sure yet they are not just a gimmick. Both openclaw and hermes handle multi-agennt orchestration, fwiw. Gas town looks like a silly way to burn all your tokens in a day. Paperclip is just buggy. I'm waiting for them to become more mature
hankbond 4mo ago
I don't really see how Pi is a FOMO framework. It's basically the minimal surface area framework for you to build other things on. I'm building some agent powered applications and I would have no ability to do that reliably on Claude Code/codex/cursor because they lack the integration depth I need, that Pi provides.
- eranation 4mo ago
  Yeah, I used that term loosely, for me FOMO is everything I don't know. It's not a FOMO framework to you (but your comment definitely adds to my FOMO, in a totally positive way I mean...)
  - embedding-shape 4mo ago
    Words are loosing all their meaning, fast too. Wonder how conversations between humans will look like in 5-10 years.
sshine 4mo ago
> I would love to hear from someone who actually played with all the FOMO harnesses I tried claude, opencode, pi, hermes, openclaw. Specifically, I tried Claude with Sonnet/Opus and GLM-5.1, and OpenCode with Sonnet/Opus (briefly, since it's a violation of services) and much more with GLM-5.1. I'll say: Claude is the best overall. OpenCode has the best UI. Pi has something going for it (I embed it in my agents on my Multica kanban), being that it's programmable and extensible by design, it's also a CLI. Hermes: Sluggish, very slow to start, a lot is going on in the background, didn't like it. Seems over-engineered, didn't use it long enough to evaluate its memory functions. I'd rather have full session logs rather than these MEMORY.md summaries of what a session did. OpenClaw: Amazing in its novelty, hellish in its implementation. I tried to make an OpenClaw on a VPS capable of editing its own Nix config, and it sucked. Tried a few variations like NanoClaw. Much less fluid; not the same, which is probably a good thing, but what OpenClaw tries to deliver is this autonomous agent with full ability to edit itself as crazy as that is. If it were just less sluggish and capable of more self-modification off the bat. I mostly blame JavaScript/NPM here. I gave my brother an OpenClaw and he tried to make it do things on his behalf. His final feedback before abandoning it: It feels like I need to know programming. I ask it for the daily weather report.
mmusc 4mo ago
They're all very good an spending all your tokens. They are useful but way too expensive to run

Arubis 4mo ago

Pi and OpenCode are Claude Code-alikes. Hermes and *claw try to be somewhat more autonomous.

chokolad 4mo ago

you can add netclaw to your list

jdiff 4mo ago

OpenCode seemed perfectly workable as a programming assistant. As personal assistants, they all fall short. It's too difficult to really shape their output. I was briefly impressed with OpenClaw a few times, but ultimately was turned off by not being able to get the models to stop being so damnably verbose. I thought I made progress for a while by having it tweak its soul, iterate, switch models, iterate, switch models, fuse the results, iterate... but ultimately it's all forgotten early in each session. And then one day it killed itself by rebuilding the container it was inside. Hermes apparently has some plagiarism issues they're trying to cover up [0] and I was deeply unimpressed with their janky, flickery CLI that force-enables a bulky obnoxious header on every launch. Hermes did readily dive into its own source code and did readily confirm that there was no way to disable it. So that's neat. It constantly (wants to) run from upstream master which is unsettling. Nanoclaw and nanobot seemed fine, but not notably different. There were some common bugs and glitches that caused some minor data loss while configuring nanobot. After that I just deciding to start hacking my own together. What I really want in a harness is being able to actually control and rewrite the entire context window, like Zed's Text Threads before they obnoxiously and inexplicably removed what, to me, was their most powerful and distinguishing feature. [0] https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/10232 https://github.com/NousResearch/hermes-agent/issues/10232

KennyBlanken 4mo ago
The project in question that is asserting Hermes is copying their ideas: https://github.com/EvoMap/evolver https://github.com/EvoMap/evolver The timeline here is pretty telling and it looks like Hermes basically points their coding agent at evolver and says "reimplement this yourself." A few days later Hermes magically sports a nearly identical feature. https://evomap.ai/blog/hermes-agent-evolver-similarity-analysis https://evomap.ai/blog/hermes-agent-evolver-similarity-analy...
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jonaustin 4mo ago
The handling of that issue looks _incredibly_ shady. Not touching this project with a ten foot pole..

hank1931 4mo ago

Check out Eve (https://eve.new https://eve.new). I saw it here on Hacker News after I decided OpenClaw was too raw for me. Eve is amazing. My theory as to why it's so good is that the founders have a strong background in design -- they met getting their masters in design at UC Berkeley. Their secret sauce is the harness they've constructed IMHO. Here is what Zach Dive said in the original HN announcement-- Eve is an AI agent harness that runs in an isolated Linux sandbox (2 vCPUs, 4GB RAM, 10GB disk) with a real filesystem, headless Chromium, code execution, and connectors to 1000+ services. You give it a task and it works in the background until it's done. I built this because I wanted OpenClaw without the self-hosting, pointed at actual day-to-day work. I'm thinking less personal assistant and more helpful colleague. The main interface is a web app where you can watch work happen in real time (agents spawning, files being written, use of the CLI). There's also an iMessage integration so you can fire a task asynchronously, put your phone down, and get a reply when it's finished. Under the hood, there's an orchestrator (Claude Opus 4.6) that routes to the right domain-specific model for each subtask: browsing, coding, research, and media generation. For complex tasks it spins up parallel sub-agents that coordinate through the shared filesystem. They have persistent memory across sessions so context compounds over time. I've packaged it with a bunch of pre-installed skills so it can execute in a variety of job roles (sales, marketing, finance) at runtime.

embedding-shape 4mo ago
> Check out Eve (https://eve.new https://eve.new). > Continue with Google/Email Seems very different from the other listed options in parent's comment if you need an online account with Eve to even use it.
- hank1931 4mo ago
  I see your point. The others are self-hosted, and you bring your own key. Personally, I like the convenience Eve's online account provides. It's dead simple to be up and off to the races, getting useful work done with little effort. After struggling with OpenClaw, it has been a very pleasant experience. Several people in our company are using it now.

throwaway67678 4mo ago

Hermes is more general purpose, like openclaw. Pi and opencode are more specific to coding. Hermes accomodates other coding agents pretty well and has in fact bundled skills for claude code and codex (for spawning subagents, delegating, etc.). They are not exclusive I haven't tried these 'agent fleet' frameworks in depth and am not sure yet they are not just a gimmick. Both openclaw and hermes handle multi-agennt orchestration, fwiw. Gas town looks like a silly way to burn all your tokens in a day. Paperclip is just buggy. I'm waiting for them to become more mature

hankbond 4mo ago

I don't really see how Pi is a FOMO framework. It's basically the minimal surface area framework for you to build other things on. I'm building some agent powered applications and I would have no ability to do that reliably on Claude Code/codex/cursor because they lack the integration depth I need, that Pi provides.

eranation 4mo ago
Yeah, I used that term loosely, for me FOMO is everything I don't know. It's not a FOMO framework to you (but your comment definitely adds to my FOMO, in a totally positive way I mean...)
- embedding-shape 4mo ago
  Words are loosing all their meaning, fast too. Wonder how conversations between humans will look like in 5-10 years.

sshine 4mo ago

> I would love to hear from someone who actually played with all the FOMO harnesses I tried claude, opencode, pi, hermes, openclaw. Specifically, I tried Claude with Sonnet/Opus and GLM-5.1, and OpenCode with Sonnet/Opus (briefly, since it's a violation of services) and much more with GLM-5.1. I'll say: Claude is the best overall. OpenCode has the best UI. Pi has something going for it (I embed it in my agents on my Multica kanban), being that it's programmable and extensible by design, it's also a CLI. Hermes: Sluggish, very slow to start, a lot is going on in the background, didn't like it. Seems over-engineered, didn't use it long enough to evaluate its memory functions. I'd rather have full session logs rather than these MEMORY.md summaries of what a session did. OpenClaw: Amazing in its novelty, hellish in its implementation. I tried to make an OpenClaw on a VPS capable of editing its own Nix config, and it sucked. Tried a few variations like NanoClaw. Much less fluid; not the same, which is probably a good thing, but what OpenClaw tries to deliver is this autonomous agent with full ability to edit itself as crazy as that is. If it were just less sluggish and capable of more self-modification off the bat. I mostly blame JavaScript/NPM here. I gave my brother an OpenClaw and he tried to make it do things on his behalf. His final feedback before abandoning it: It feels like I need to know programming. I ask it for the daily weather report.

mmusc 4mo ago

They're all very good an spending all your tokens. They are useful but way too expensive to run