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Why would you want less people to live in a lovely place?

skiing_crawling 4mo ago
Maybe some (or many) people believe that more people will make it less "lovely". I think this is a popular stance and I think many people are more than satisfied with the current population density of their area.
like_any_other 4mo ago
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- eqvinox 4mo ago
  Because it is the place it is due to the conditions it has grown in. Take away the EU and Switzerland loses a significant part of their economic power, which is needed to sustain being the place it is. Just like Brexit.
  - like_any_other 4mo ago
    > take away the EU Is not accepting infinity immigration "taking away the EU"? And the population density is even more part of the conditions it has grown in. But much much harder to fix if it increases too much - shouldn't they take a precautionary approach? Regardless, that's not the question I asked. I asked why the poster was pretending they don't know population number affects the quality of a place.
    - eqvinox 4mo ago
      > Is not accepting infinity immigration "taking away the EU"? Have you read the page? Yes it is. > Regardless, that's not the question I asked. I asked why the poster was pretending they don't know population number affects the quality of a place. In that case: why are you pretending to not understand rhetorical questions after asking one yourself?
      - like_any_other 4mo ago
        A rhetorical question is supposed to make you think, not state the obvious. Especially since the obvious has already been stated - it is the premise of the referendum!
        eqvinox 4mo ago
        I can see the intended purpose isn't being achieved, time to let things be.
  - mike_hearn 4mo ago
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    - amunozo 4mo ago
      It's also a much smaller economy and Switzerland, unlike the UK, is landlocked and surrounded by EU countries. More than half of its exports go to the EU. Switzerland needs the EU more than the EU needs Switzerland.
      - mike_hearn 4mo ago
        About half of UK trade is with the EU too and leaving made no difference. As for "surrounded by EU countries", unless you're jumping in the same boat as joxdasba and claiming France, Germany, Italy and Austria will all simultaneously attempt to starve Switzerland into submission, that just doesn't matter much.
        amunozo 4mo ago
        I simply think that it's self-destructive to block end all bilateral agreements that are dependent on the free movement of people in order to put a cap on population/immigration, and especially that not knowing whether or when would it be applied would create uncertainty to a country whose best strength is certainty and stability.
      - like_any_other 4mo ago
        European countries have traded with each other long before EU free movement. In fact, most countries today, EU or not, manage to trade just fine despite strict borders.
        amunozo 4mo ago
        For sure, but going back to this after such a close integration is much harder than the previous situation. Moreover, the uncertainty of when or if these measure will be applied would damage the predictability and stability of Switzerland, which are their best assets.
austhrow743 4mo ago
To keep it lovely.

Maybe some (or many) people believe that more people will make it less "lovely". I think this is a popular stance and I think many people are more than satisfied with the current population density of their area.

like_any_other 4mo ago

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eqvinox 4mo ago
Because it is the place it is due to the conditions it has grown in. Take away the EU and Switzerland loses a significant part of their economic power, which is needed to sustain being the place it is. Just like Brexit.
- like_any_other 4mo ago
  > take away the EU Is not accepting infinity immigration "taking away the EU"? And the population density is even more part of the conditions it has grown in. But much much harder to fix if it increases too much - shouldn't they take a precautionary approach? Regardless, that's not the question I asked. I asked why the poster was pretending they don't know population number affects the quality of a place.
  - eqvinox 4mo ago
    > Is not accepting infinity immigration "taking away the EU"? Have you read the page? Yes it is. > Regardless, that's not the question I asked. I asked why the poster was pretending they don't know population number affects the quality of a place. In that case: why are you pretending to not understand rhetorical questions after asking one yourself?
    - like_any_other 4mo ago
      A rhetorical question is supposed to make you think, not state the obvious. Especially since the obvious has already been stated - it is the premise of the referendum!
      - eqvinox 4mo ago
        I can see the intended purpose isn't being achieved, time to let things be.
- mike_hearn 4mo ago
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  - amunozo 4mo ago
    It's also a much smaller economy and Switzerland, unlike the UK, is landlocked and surrounded by EU countries. More than half of its exports go to the EU. Switzerland needs the EU more than the EU needs Switzerland.
    - mike_hearn 4mo ago
      About half of UK trade is with the EU too and leaving made no difference. As for "surrounded by EU countries", unless you're jumping in the same boat as joxdasba and claiming France, Germany, Italy and Austria will all simultaneously attempt to starve Switzerland into submission, that just doesn't matter much.
      - amunozo 4mo ago
        I simply think that it's self-destructive to block end all bilateral agreements that are dependent on the free movement of people in order to put a cap on population/immigration, and especially that not knowing whether or when would it be applied would create uncertainty to a country whose best strength is certainty and stability.
    - like_any_other 4mo ago
      European countries have traded with each other long before EU free movement. In fact, most countries today, EU or not, manage to trade just fine despite strict borders.
      - amunozo 4mo ago
        For sure, but going back to this after such a close integration is much harder than the previous situation. Moreover, the uncertainty of when or if these measure will be applied would damage the predictability and stability of Switzerland, which are their best assets.

austhrow743 4mo ago

To keep it lovely.