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is the idea of economic destruction akin to what the UK has suffered abhorrent to you? In your excitement about the one you might consider the other.

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
> the idea of economic destruction akin to what the UK has suffered abhorrent to you? Yes. But I don’t think Brexit is comparable to what is being proposed here. In Brexit, the UK invoked Article 50. In this case, the EU would have to execute its Guillotine clause. That dramatically changes the framework for and thus possibility of renegotiations.
- mrtksn 5mo ago
  There’s not going to be negotiations to drop the core principles, I don’t know why bunch of people keep imagining this. UK was let go, Switzerland will be let go too. Hoping different outcome by negotiation over this is like hoping for negotiating your way out of your gym membership payment when still attending. Not going to happen unless you become a charity case or insignificant, being significant is not a strength its a weakness when you are looking for charity or special treatment. Switzerland can imagine being too important to loose just as UK thought and they will be let go as UK. I guess leaving EU can be useful to those who want to do things to Switzerland just like they did things to UK.
selfmodruntime 5mo ago
How exactly are the Swiss in any position that would mean economic destruction?
- mrtksn 5mo ago
  They are in a position of having no seas and only EU on every side, which means things are getting more bureaucratic the more EU-Swiss relationship sours. Think border checks on the ground and flight restrictions in the air and the less than 10M rich people in the mountains can now trade only among themselves.
  - s1artibartfast 5mo ago
    Why would the EU be so irrationally butt hurt about it? It seems easy enough to let the Swiss have their policy and both continue to benefit Edit: EU can void all the other contracts, but why would it want to? Why do they care so much about how many immigrants Switzerland has?
    - mrtksn 5mo ago
      Swiss can have their policy, who said they can't have it? It's just that they can't make EU have the Swiss policy. If Switzerland wants to be a 3rd party country, they can do that and negotiate visa regime, import/export controls etc with EU like everyone else who is not part of EU or don't have a deal. They can be like UK or Turkey for example, or be have entirely different relationship.
      - joxdosba 5mo ago
        Swiss can never be like the UK or Turkey if it reneges on the deal it has now. The other two have leverage, Swiss do not.
        mrtksn 5mo ago
        It’s up to the Swiss to decide regardless, if population limit is more important than being integrated into Europe they can do that. What they can’t do is to have equal access to the single market like the other EU countries without the obligation that other countries have.
        joxdosba 5mo ago
        It’s up to the Swiss to decide as much as it was up to the Melians.

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago

> the idea of economic destruction akin to what the UK has suffered abhorrent to you? Yes. But I don’t think Brexit is comparable to what is being proposed here. In Brexit, the UK invoked Article 50. In this case, the EU would have to execute its Guillotine clause. That dramatically changes the framework for and thus possibility of renegotiations.

mrtksn 5mo ago
There’s not going to be negotiations to drop the core principles, I don’t know why bunch of people keep imagining this. UK was let go, Switzerland will be let go too. Hoping different outcome by negotiation over this is like hoping for negotiating your way out of your gym membership payment when still attending. Not going to happen unless you become a charity case or insignificant, being significant is not a strength its a weakness when you are looking for charity or special treatment. Switzerland can imagine being too important to loose just as UK thought and they will be let go as UK. I guess leaving EU can be useful to those who want to do things to Switzerland just like they did things to UK.

selfmodruntime 5mo ago

How exactly are the Swiss in any position that would mean economic destruction?

mrtksn 5mo ago
They are in a position of having no seas and only EU on every side, which means things are getting more bureaucratic the more EU-Swiss relationship sours. Think border checks on the ground and flight restrictions in the air and the less than 10M rich people in the mountains can now trade only among themselves.
- s1artibartfast 5mo ago
  Why would the EU be so irrationally butt hurt about it? It seems easy enough to let the Swiss have their policy and both continue to benefit Edit: EU can void all the other contracts, but why would it want to? Why do they care so much about how many immigrants Switzerland has?
  - mrtksn 5mo ago
    Swiss can have their policy, who said they can't have it? It's just that they can't make EU have the Swiss policy. If Switzerland wants to be a 3rd party country, they can do that and negotiate visa regime, import/export controls etc with EU like everyone else who is not part of EU or don't have a deal. They can be like UK or Turkey for example, or be have entirely different relationship.
    - joxdosba 5mo ago
      Swiss can never be like the UK or Turkey if it reneges on the deal it has now. The other two have leverage, Swiss do not.
      - mrtksn 5mo ago
        It’s up to the Swiss to decide regardless, if population limit is more important than being integrated into Europe they can do that. What they can’t do is to have equal access to the single market like the other EU countries without the obligation that other countries have.
        joxdosba 5mo ago
        It’s up to the Swiss to decide as much as it was up to the Melians.