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> the bilateral are a package and the EU doesn't want CH to pick and chose It really depends who is in power where when and if the 10mm limit is crossed. If th

> the bilateral are a package and the EU doesn't want CH to pick and chose It really depends who is in power where when and if the 10mm limit is crossed. If there is a conservative in Paris or Berlin, chances are Switzerland can simply abrogate Schengen.

tonfa 5mo ago
Unlike UK, the impact to the EU is minimum and Switzerland doesn't have leverage (if the EU still stands). Of course if you have EU dismantlers in power anyway in FR/DE, they'll just be happy to sabotage.
- JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
  > unless you're Swiss, your opinion is irrelevant I think we do bilaterally with our trading partners/border friends. Freedom of movement across the EU has created a massive backlash. Politicians can keep ignoring that. Or they can modify Schengen, perhaps by admitting that FOM makes immigration decisions a collective one. (Germany letting in a massive wave of immigration means a massive wave of immigrants for everyone.)
jltsiren 5mo ago
Schengen is a minor treaty about border controls. The actual issue are the Bilateral I agreements, which link free movement with many aspects of free trade. If Switzerland drops that, it needs new free trade agreements, which take many years to negotiate and ratify.
izacus 5mo ago
Where do you pull this kind of nonsense from? This didn't work out for much bigger UK and UK isn't sorrounded by EU.
- mike_hearn 5mo ago
  How did it not work out? A lot of things the EU claimed were red lines ended up being crossed. Look at the Horizon programme. Supposedly an inviolable "privilege" tied to FoM, the UK called the EU's bluff, left, and UK is now back in Horizon anyway.
  - izacus 5mo ago
    Perhaps with the fact that immigration hasn't stopped, the economy is a much bigger trash fire than any of EUs and the fact that people still don't seem to be happy and keep pushing even worse laws.

tonfa 5mo ago

Unlike UK, the impact to the EU is minimum and Switzerland doesn't have leverage (if the EU still stands). Of course if you have EU dismantlers in power anyway in FR/DE, they'll just be happy to sabotage.

JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
> unless you're Swiss, your opinion is irrelevant I think we do bilaterally with our trading partners/border friends. Freedom of movement across the EU has created a massive backlash. Politicians can keep ignoring that. Or they can modify Schengen, perhaps by admitting that FOM makes immigration decisions a collective one. (Germany letting in a massive wave of immigration means a massive wave of immigrants for everyone.)

jltsiren 5mo ago

Schengen is a minor treaty about border controls. The actual issue are the Bilateral I agreements, which link free movement with many aspects of free trade. If Switzerland drops that, it needs new free trade agreements, which take many years to negotiate and ratify.

izacus 5mo ago

Where do you pull this kind of nonsense from? This didn't work out for much bigger UK and UK isn't sorrounded by EU.

mike_hearn 5mo ago
How did it not work out? A lot of things the EU claimed were red lines ended up being crossed. Look at the Horizon programme. Supposedly an inviolable "privilege" tied to FoM, the UK called the EU's bluff, left, and UK is now back in Horizon anyway.
- izacus 5mo ago
  Perhaps with the fact that immigration hasn't stopped, the economy is a much bigger trash fire than any of EUs and the fact that people still don't seem to be happy and keep pushing even worse laws.