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With a birth rate or 1.29, they will need to accept immigrants or face the consequences of a declining population. My guess is that in the end, the next generat

With a birth rate or 1.29, they will need to accept immigrants or face the consequences of a declining population. My guess is that in the end, the next generation of old folk will want taking care of.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> With a birth rate or 1.29, they will need to accept immigrants or face the consequences of a declining population Doesn’t the population cap somewhat elegantly deal with this? If birth rates are insufficient, a certain amount of migration is tolerated. The lower births rates go, the more immigration is allowed.
- harshalizee 4mo ago
  It doesn't work as straightforward as that. To have a healthy immigration channel, especially if you want younger/educated/skilled/etc. the pipeline needs to be active and streamlined. Jobs, housing, a well-beaten path that is predictably navigable is incredibly important for a migrant, since they're taking a lot of risks moving there. If this referendum blocks EU movement, it will choke the pipeline that's filling positions that takes in a high amount of immigrants like healthcare, agriculture, etc. Once it dies out, people may not be as willing to move if they're the one paving the path. Historically, the US has been quite successful in this area. Migrants from Philippines dominate nursing, Mexico for agriculture and Chinese/Indians for Sotware/Medical. The migration path has to be vastly superior to their current living for this to work, if they want the same immigration. Or else, it will be mostly people who are truly in a terrible situation who'd be willing to take a chance.
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    Counterpoint: Switzerland is rich, peaceful and pretty multicultural. That baseline will keep it as an attractive place to expat or migrate.
    - harshalizee 4mo ago
      Counter-conterpoint : For now. A large part of this is due to bilateral agreements and free flow migration. This referendum directly affects that.
Der_Einzige 4mo ago
Robots will take off in our life time. I will be taken care of by robots circa the 2060s and 2070s.
vitalyan1234 4mo ago
will soemone please think of the boomers? :(

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago

> With a birth rate or 1.29, they will need to accept immigrants or face the consequences of a declining population Doesn’t the population cap somewhat elegantly deal with this? If birth rates are insufficient, a certain amount of migration is tolerated. The lower births rates go, the more immigration is allowed.

harshalizee 4mo ago
It doesn't work as straightforward as that. To have a healthy immigration channel, especially if you want younger/educated/skilled/etc. the pipeline needs to be active and streamlined. Jobs, housing, a well-beaten path that is predictably navigable is incredibly important for a migrant, since they're taking a lot of risks moving there. If this referendum blocks EU movement, it will choke the pipeline that's filling positions that takes in a high amount of immigrants like healthcare, agriculture, etc. Once it dies out, people may not be as willing to move if they're the one paving the path. Historically, the US has been quite successful in this area. Migrants from Philippines dominate nursing, Mexico for agriculture and Chinese/Indians for Sotware/Medical. The migration path has to be vastly superior to their current living for this to work, if they want the same immigration. Or else, it will be mostly people who are truly in a terrible situation who'd be willing to take a chance.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  Counterpoint: Switzerland is rich, peaceful and pretty multicultural. That baseline will keep it as an attractive place to expat or migrate.
  - harshalizee 4mo ago
    Counter-conterpoint : For now. A large part of this is due to bilateral agreements and free flow migration. This referendum directly affects that.

Der_Einzige 4mo ago

Robots will take off in our life time. I will be taken care of by robots circa the 2060s and 2070s.

vitalyan1234 4mo ago

will soemone please think of the boomers? :(