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The advent of communism was sufficiently long ago that it I'm not sure your critique applies.

• foldr 4mo ago
  I'm not sure why that's relevant. My point is that it's never really possible to provide a detailed plan for a complete changing of the social order. While it might be nice in theory to have such a thing, it's not clear that it's really a reasonable thing to ask for.
  • tpm 4mo ago
    > My point is that it's never really possible to provide a detailed plan for a complete changing of the social order. That's correct, but if the communist avantguarde says (as they did) "we have to completely change the social order by force, uproot everything, to build communism", there might be questions if it's at least going to be directionally good or bad. And if the answers can't be provided, then perhaps they shouldn't be doing it at all?
    • foldr 4mo ago
      Yep, that’s the classic small ‘c’ conservative argument against revolutions or sudden changes. It’s a fine argument, but it’s not specific to communism.
      • tpm 4mo ago
        Pretty sure I've already used it 20 years ago. Yeah it's not specific to communism, one just needs to look at the sudden changes the US admin is implementing to see it's broadly applicable, only they don't even pretend to be interested in societally good outcomes.